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Homeopathy - there’s nothing in it : Comments

By Chrys Stevenson, published 11/2/2011

Homeopathy works no better than a placebo, so why is it sold in pharmacies?

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Modern vaccinations do not actually expose the person to any pathogens. The immune system kills viruses by destroying their protein coat, and modern vaccines generally contain proteins either the same or similar to the protein coat, and contains non of the actual pathogen.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:11:50 AM
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Clownfish,

Mockery and language-righteousness are no substitute for facing the actual issues. I believe that my question was clear enough, but it seems that you pick on the word "qualified" just as you picked on "chemical" with Pelican.

My proposition is that the Past, an object's timeline, its history, is one of its qualities and is valid as any other physical quality. So far you have evaded stating whether or not you accept this idea, or whether otherwise it is fine by you to freely swap Jordan-waters, identical-babies, or teddy-bears.

The 10-dimensional space adds myriads of other possibilities for hidden physical attributes of matter, where information can be stored even while all molecules of a tincture have gone, but let that alone for now, how about answering whether or not you accept Time/History as an attribute?

Homeopathy is indeed not medicine in the sense that a medicine DOES something to a patient, who is often passive about it, whereas homeopathy tries to enlist the patients own will and resources. Since free will is involved, no scientific evidence can be drawn.

So calling homeopathy "non-scientific" is fine (but not being scientific does not imply that something does not work), and if someone presents it as such, then indeed consumer protection is called for. I am however convinced that the author and his like would not stop at innocent consumer-protection and their real intent is to prohibit the practice of homeopathy as a matter of religion-bashing, drive it to the underground, and throw those who are found practicing it to the lions (what a healthy prospect indeed!)
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 17 February 2011 3:49:44 PM
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Clownfish
"One very good reason, King Hazza: you can get water from the tap pretty much for free; why pay substantial amounts of money to a quack who believes in 18th century mysticism, for water?"
To be honest it's not very hard to get your hands on most of the substances they dilute in the water either.
Posted by King Hazza, Thursday, 17 February 2011 5:49:36 PM
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Except the Twenty million-dollar duck: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/970217/archive_006221.htm

Yuyutsu, you employ lots of scientific terms, but you don't seem to actually understand any of them. In many respects, reading your posts is like listening to that grand sham, Deequack Chopra, rabbiting on about quantum physics and other such things he clearly knows nothing about.

Your argument about 'timelines' and 'history' is not a winner for you, you do realise?

In the case of a homeopathic 'remedy', its history is that, over time, any trace of anything other than water (or, in the case of a pill, sugar) has been completely and utterly removed. Therefore, any effect the original substance may or may not have had is completely erased. There is no other mechanism by which it can possibly have any effect. Claims about 'water memory' are absurd on simple logic alone, and have been utterly debunked experimentally.

Using babies or suchlike as an analogy is absurd and irrelevant: 'identical' babies are anything but, being exceptionally complex organisms. One molecule of a given element or compound, however, is to all intents and purposes exactly the same as another.

Your claims about string theory are likewise utterly foolish. The 10 dimensions you seem to have vaguely heard of are relevant only to strings themselves.

You also try to have the typical woo's each-way bet: you claim your particular slice of crazy really works, but in the same breath assert that it cannot be tested.

Either it works or it doesn't. If it works, it can be tested, and there will be evidence to show that it works. If the evidence shows that it doesn't, then it doesn't work.

It's not that hard to grasp, is it?
Posted by Clownfish, Thursday, 17 February 2011 9:47:00 PM
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