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By Chrys Stevenson, published 11/2/2011Homeopathy works no better than a placebo, so why is it sold in pharmacies?
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Actually Clownfish you will find that dilution too is variable and not always set to the 30C, and mostly a matter where the homeopath varyingly designates only the minimum dose required to trigger a reaction in the patient (although the popular theory that greater dilution makes stronger medicine is indeed contestable).
Posted by King Hazza, Monday, 14 February 2011 8:07:36 PM
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Sorry Pericles, I didn't realise (or maybe I missed it?) that you had no other medical problems to add to your' high cholesterol.
I agree that if all you have is a cholesterol problem, then you shouldn't take statins as a general rule. Good luck with keeping the other problems at bay :) There are good and bad homeopaths, just as there are good and bad in any other occupation. Having watched homeopaths make up a 'natural' concoction in front of me though Clownfish, I can assure you that it wasn't just water I was given! Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 14 February 2011 11:47:04 PM
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Do you know what they call alternative medicine that works?
Medicine. From my favourite beat poem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk&feature=fvst Posted by Bugsy, Monday, 14 February 2011 11:58:36 PM
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So many fools, so little space ...
Yuyutsu - I'll remove the desk from my forehead briefly, to observe that your analogy is simply beyond ridiculous. You're seriously comparing the most advanced information network in human history to ... a bottle of water? Pelican - so 'naturally occurring plant chemicals' are okay? Does this include, perhaps, pyrethrum? Rotenone? Foxglove? Belladonna? All naturally occurring plant chemicals or plants. Chow down, pal! Ho Hum, didn't you read my comment about 30C dilutions? When you take your 30C 'Arnica' pills, you're not getting a single molecule of arnica. All you're getting is sugar. Any painkilling is purely in your own mind. King Hazza, once again you seem to display your ignorance of what homeopathy actually is. 'You will find that dilution too is variable and not always set to the 30C'. The high priest of homeopathy, Hanneman himself, recommended 30C as a matter of course, but even a smaller dilution of 12C is 'equivalent to a pinch of salt in the Atlantic Ocean'. Wow, strong stuff! Of course, you say, the homeopath varies the 'dose' to suit the patient? Perhaps they use 'constition types' to determine the matter? Perhaps you're a Pulsatilla type: 'often fair color in hair and skin and eyes. Sensitive and emotional, easily brought to tears of joy or sympathy. Pulsatilla people find they feel better with sympathy and fresh air.' An Arsen. Alb. Type? 'Usually thin or slim. Often well groomed and stylish. Fine facial features with fine, delicate skin. Frown lines can appear on the forehead.' Ignatia Type? 'Slim build. Prone to dark circles under eyes. Expression may be tired and drawn and may also suffer from involuntary twitches of mouth or eyes. Dry lips. Dark to mid range colour hair. Sighs a lot.' If you think I'm making this rubbish up, to make homeopathy look silly, well, sorry, but this is taken verbatim from a homeopathy guide. You can't make something that dumb up. Posted by Clownfish, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 3:07:00 AM
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Clownfish
"Pelican - so 'naturally occurring plant chemicals' are okay? Does this include, perhaps, pyrethrum? Rotenone? Foxglove? Belladonna? All naturally occurring plant chemicals or plants. Chow down, pal!" Do you think they are okay? Do you seriously think I would be chowing down on Foxglove or Oleander? Do you think that is what I inferred? I see you have ignored the list of dangerous chemicals in the previous links. You are still being disingenuous but I don't expect you to own it, better just to keep blundering on about the difference between good and bad 'natural' chemicals. Chances are you will avoid the point made about pesticides and other introduced contaminants in some of the food we eat. Good luck chowing down on some DDT pal. However, I have only myself to blame in assuming a certain level of ability in the readership. Let me rephrase for you - "harmful chemicals". That is harmful to human health or to environments (which ultimately affects human health). Simple enough for you. Divert the intent in my post by all means, it is always an individual choice to be an ostrich or an informed consumer. Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 9:03:06 AM
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Clownfish- so?
Hanneman lived during the 19th century where absolutely no medical knowledge except basic surgery and magic were known, and could only make sense of the need for diluting the pathogen to make it manageable for a sick patient- If someone were to approach a modern homeopath that were still following Hanneman's practice of expecting a .00001% of a gram of substance in a fluid of supposedly augmented water would help their immune system, that should be their fault and their right as a consumer to try as an alternative treatment -which of course is the tradeoff- either homeopathic drugs that are too mild to do anything- or conventional drugs that are more than potent at fixing the problem, but may be too potent for some bodies to handle (and believe me, cutting a tiny pill into tinier but somewhat equal fragments to match a fitting dosage per-interval isn't exactly the easiest thing to- and understandably many people would get the impression that this being the case- their own bodies are mild enough for even a diluted substance to have an effect on). Posted by King Hazza, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 9:27:14 AM
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