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Why consult the electorate on gay marriage? : Comments

By Scott MacInnes, published 17/12/2010

On moral matters members of parliament should follow their own beliefs rather than ask their constituents how they should vote.

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@Talisman.
So you won't address my indictment of the "Gay" movement?
Given that the aims of the original "Gay" liberation movement have to a large extent been met then surely the destruction of the Tyrannical Heteronormative structure of the Family must be front and centre on the agenda right now?
You have eliminated or neutered all your rivals within the mainstream by the use of force and now you want to begin the destruction of the Hetero family as laid out in the manifesto?
What do you say to this allegation?
True or not true?
If you choose the latter do you repudiate the "Gay" movement which has sprung from that document?
Finally answer me this: Why should I support "Gay" marriages and Families if they are enabled by a movement that has zero tolerance for "Heteronormative" Families and basic, natural Heterosexual child rearing?
Why should I support you when you don't support me?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 18 December 2010 4:17:29 PM
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Hi Jay of Melbourne:

Do you need supporting? I think that you'll find that most people don't cause needless suffering. They believe in free speech and protect it even if they disagree with what is being said. Most people pay their taxes, don't cheat, don't kill, don't commit incest, don't do things to others that we would not wish done to us. As for making judgements about other people's lives - my goodness, life is complicated enough as it is dealing with our own lives, without having to worry about telling others how they should live theirs. It's one thing to feel that you're on the right path (good for you), but it's another to think that yours is the only path.
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 20 December 2010 3:29:35 PM
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Dear Scott MacInnes, thank you for your article, it was most interesting and its production is most welcome. Not because I agree with the position that you are taking but rather that the point needed in itself to be made; the point being one of political correctness.

Someone earlier in the comments to your article referred to the Declaration of Independence. In a manner you are advocating a similar point. The original ‘declaration’ came about as the settlers in Virginia baulked at lack of parliamentary representation and thus refused to bow down to the English parliamentary system that imposed same.

I consider that we similarly have an un-representative parliamentary system, that is inherently undemocratic and can be more accurately described as ‘delegated dictatorship’ – we the plebiscite vote a group of candidates, as limited by a gerrymandering constitution, into office where they can do effectively whatever they wish for a term of about four years, wherein they can do much as they wish according to their own bent and in total ignore of the voters within their electorate and without the need to consult as they are NOT REPRESENTATIVE PARLIMENTARIANS.

The bottom line is – we do not have representative government and therefore we do not have a democracy, as the process is not by the people for the people.

So I can empathise with you Scott, why share the decision making with a bunch of mindless idiots who think differently to you?
Posted by deadly, Monday, 20 December 2010 6:51:14 PM
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<< Most people pay their taxes, don't cheat, don't kill, don't commit incest>>
We have just been demonstrating, over and again, that homosexuality is the moral equivalent of incest.
Substantiating this, the homosexual apologists among us have finally, unequivocally declared that they have no problem with incest.
Your statement could therefore equally and accurately state:
"Most people pay their taxes, don't cheat, don't kill, don't commit incest and don't engage in homosexual behaviour"
Posted by Proxy, Monday, 20 December 2010 6:59:53 PM
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Proxy:

You seem to have missed entirely - the point that I was trying to make. However, I won't argue with you because from reading your posts it appears that you feel threatened by anybody who doesn't share your absolutist point of view. I simply no longer have the patience or the will to bother dealing with such ill-informed bigotry.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 10:12:59 AM
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<< it appears that you feel threatened by anybody who doesn't share your absolutist point of view>>
It appears that you feel threatened by anybody who doesn't share your relativist point of view

<<I simply no longer have the patience or the will...>>
Goal achieved.

<<...to bother dealing with such ill-informed bigotry.>>
And I thought my contributions were the most well-informed bigotry on this post.
At least I have the data to back up my claims,
as opposed to the easily refuted politically correct feel-goodisms of homo-apologists.
Posted by Proxy, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 6:55:07 PM
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