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Why every Christian should be in favour of gay marriage : Comments

By Dave Smith, published 15/12/2010

Christians have no basis for objecting to gay people having access to the institution of marriage.

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<<Does God win when homosexual children commit suicide because of attitudes like yours?>>

Risk factors for youth suicide:
-History of previous suicide attempts
-Family history of suicide
-History of depression or other mental illness
-Alcohol or drug abuse
-Stressful life event or loss
-Easy access to lethal methods
-Exposure to the suicidal behavior of others
-Incarceration
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/dvp/suicide/youthsuicide.htm

"Gay" youth suicide claims are just another propaganda strategem in the vein of:
- the 10% of the population lie (actually less than 3%)
- the homosexual gene lie (Surprise! That slippery gene still hasn't been found. But don't tell anyone.)

Here's a homosexual fact:
Men who have sex with men are 40-80 times more likely to contract HIV/AID's than the normal population.
What aspect of their behaviour causes this remains a complete mystery to homosexual activists and their apologists.
Because they know that homosex is just as normal and natural as heterosex.

<<Does God win when those who say they worship him choose bigotry and hatred over love and acceptance?>>
Why do you refuse to love and accept incestuous couples?
Why do you discriminate against them?
Posted by Proxy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 9:29:02 PM
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Roxy

what's wrong with brothers marrying? Apart from the biological issues, it contravenes our strong taboos on sibling marriage and blurs social understanding of what constitutes a family. I can see good reasons for maintaining that prohibition, just as I can see good reasons to outlaw polygamy. But I don't think there are good reasons to outlaw gay marriage
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 16 December 2010 9:37:13 PM
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@GrahamYoung2 "Sure, Christians are just like Nazis. Only a lefty could be stupid enough to believe that!"

Did I say that? No. I made a factual statement. Nazis wore Gott Mitt Uns on their belts. Not one word in that statement suggests that Christians are just like Nazis - or that all Nazis were Christians. However, bigoted Christians who call for the extermination of a minority which does not meet with their approval certainly fit the bill.

@Proxy "Why do you refuse to love and accept incestuous couples?
Why do you discriminate against them?"

Who says I don't love and accept them? Who says I discriminate against them?

Incest is often a result of sexual or physical abuse. Why would I not have compassion under these circumstances? I would certainly be concerned that the choice of sexual partner was not made freely, but rather, because of an underlying psychological trauma. However, if it happened that two related, consenting adults decided to have sexual intercourse, that does not effect my life or your life in the slightest. How do you know the couple three or four doors down aren't brother and sister? If you found this out, would it really have any discernible impact on your life? What gives you the right to stick your nose into their bedroom?

That said, there are good biological/genetic reasons why our society has prohibitions against close relatives marrying and procreating.
There are also psychological questions that need to be worked through for someone 'choosing' an incestuous relationship. Often, it is not a clear case of free choice but a poor decision arising out of trauma or coercion by one member of the partnership.

But, hypothetically, if such a situation existed and the choice was made freely, without psychological damage to either party, what is the harm (as long as procreation is not involved)? You might find it offensive. I might find the idea of bonking my brother distasteful in the extreme. But the fact that it's not *our* choice doesn't mean it should be denied to others.
Posted by Chrys Stevenson, Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:18:08 PM
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Here's a homosexual fact (sic):
Men who have sex with men are 40-80 times more likely to contract HIV/AID's than the normal population.
What aspect of their behaviour causes this remains a complete mystery to homosexual activists and their apologists.
Because they know that homosex is just as normal and natural as heterosex.
Posted by Proxy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 9:29:02 PM

Here's some real facts

*Most homosexuals in societies such as Australia know why homosexual men are more risk of HIV/AIDs.
* The risk of HIV/AIDs is low in the monogamous relationships that occur in the homosexual community.
Posted by McReal, Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:26:08 PM
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<<However, if it happened that two related, consenting adults decided to have sexual intercourse, that does not effect my life or your life in the slightest>>

By the above measure it would not matter if an adult and a consenting child decided to have sexual intercourse.
After all, it does not affect my life or your life in the slightest.

<< what is the harm (in incest...as long as procreation is not involved)?>>

In other words, incestuous marriage between two homosexual brothers is on the cards as far as you're concerned, because procreation is not involved therefore "what is the harm?"."

I'm glad we're actually getting somewhere on the moral relativist's views on the equivalence between homosexuality and incest, or paedophilia for that matter.
Posted by Proxy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:44:01 PM
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Chrys said: <<However, if it happened that two related, consenting adults decided to have sexual intercourse, that does not effect my life or your life in the slightest>>

Proxy said: By the above measure it would not matter if an adult and a consenting child decided to have sexual intercourse.
After all, it does not affect my life or your life in the slightest.

Proxy, if you're going to argue, argue based on what I actually said.

I said, "Consenting adults". Children, even if they say "Yes" cannot give informed consent. That's why we have laws regarding 'age of consent' and children under 18 aren't allowed to sign contracts. The psychological data is clear that children do not have the cognitive development to give informed consent. (Nor do animals - as this is where this sordid argument usually leads.)

You have also not answered the question. What impact does the activities of two consenting adults in the privacy of their bedroom have on your life, and what gives you, or anyone else, the right to proscribe those activities?
Posted by Chrys Stevenson, Friday, 17 December 2010 8:22:08 AM
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