diver dan

Homosexuality has existed in every human society in every age, and is also common in many animal species. It is not the norm, but it is not an aberration or unnatural.

In my view one of the huge moral achievements of Western culture is its understanding that people should not be demonised or denied rights simply for being different to the majority. It’s a hard-won victory and we constantly need to fight the ugly temptation to prejudice based on race, religion, ideology or sexual orientation. This is both a social and a moral question, but in my view the moral one is more important.

No Braydo:

You misunderstand. “I” as a Christian do not accept homosexuality. “I” as a Christian do accept homosexuals. “I” as a Christian do not accept public perversions such as the “Gay mardi-gras”, “I” as a Christian do accept homosexuals into nurturing fold of Christianity. Likewise, “I” as a Christian do not accept a lifestyle centred on alcohol abuse, “I” as a Christian do accept alcoholics. “I” as a Christian lament a secular society and would much prefer a society based on a few simple rules of Christianity such as truth and honesty and yes, forgiveness

diver dan

As a christian, you would have to accept homosexuality is god-given to humanity and to those individuals in which it is innate.

A tendency to alcholism is, likewise, god-given.

You use a lot of the first person pronoun.

I feel diver dan is protesting to much with his cherry picking examples and statements. I could ask diver dan what version of Christianity does he follow? what version of the bible does he choose to listen to and what he chooses to ignore in it.

Diver dan has just shown how much of a bigot he is so really I do think there is any thing left to say to protesting diver dan, who must be so insecure in his own sexuality that he does not like others to be confident in expressing theirs.

Dear Rhian

you say:

"I’m a Christian who supports gay marriage"

Then further down you say:

"First, the universal and inclusive nature of the gospel message"

Ummm....can you actually back that claim up from the words or Jesus ?

His preaching as I read it was "THe kingdom of God is at hand, REPENT and believe in the 'Gospel'" (which was.....?)

I'm most curious about this.

Your second reason is:

Second, modern understanding is that Paedophilia is not a choice, is not a reversible condition, is not harmful, and most if all is as integral to the being and person of gays as heterosexual orientation is to straights.

OH wait...sorry...no, you used the word 'homosexuality'.

The studies usually cited by conservative show that most child sexual abuse is done by Adult males on little boys.

But wait..again..there's MORE.. the same researchers found that those who molest little boys... do NOT have adult homosexual relationships.

So..the argument goes, we cannot use the "Gays are more likely to molest children" when speaking about ADULT homosexuals.

Ok...*fine*..but NOW let's talk about the 'clinical condition' of 'Paedophilia' not being a choice...hmmmmm? Now let's extend that argument to "Wellll.... consenting children are not reallllly damaged by sex with adults" and then to "Ok.. no harm...they can't change.. let's embrac end "include" Intergenerational love as 'normal' for them.

You think it ain't happening Rhian?

https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00-020_last_frontier.htm

Read it..and I HOPE....you weep, I do..in my heart at least.

With recent advances in medicine and science, it will soon be possible to screen out the homosexual instinct. So it seems we've been debating an issue that will soon be extinct.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/15/science/la-sci-adrenal-20100815

In the end, God wins everytime.