Anti:”your hard-working neighbour is already paying. The responses from women to this are very revealing and amount to "I want the bastard to pay, so there". they don;t have anything to do with the children at all. You're quite sick.”

In this battle to not have men stereotyped you keep doing it to females. You are saying I am sick?

Anti:” No, i want the law changed so that the children who have parents like you, who prioritie getting at their ex”

You did it again – parents like me and telling me what is a priority for me? Kids don’t care – kids really don’t care about money.

Anti:” Of course, I don't have a handy income from the products of such conflicts...”

That’s why I think Family Court should be free and access to the law there should be free.

Hey Vanna, yeah I did see that a stat had been found about child support paying (or not as the case may be) mothers. I don’t know if that immediately can be translated into women having a certain attitude anymore than accusing the non-paying men of one.

James I didn’t mean the going near my daughters comment as nasty. Anymore than saying I didn’t want the other side near my sons. Sorry if it was unclear.

I have no idea how to stop both sides attacking the opposite gender and telling our children who they will be one day. Anti (I think) once said about posters in a police station all having pictures of women who have been bashed? I don’t want my sons seeing it and I don’t want my daughters being told they are the ones that get beaten up.

Jewely - you are correct - noone should tell your daughters that they are the ones that get beaten up - it would be patently false. Some 80% of violence victims are men.

Jewely, I'm calling all those women who prioritise getting at their ex above their children's welfare "sick". You seem to be placing yourself in that basket.

The fact is that the biggest single factor in post-separation conflict is financial. Tying two people together financially and linking their own financial welfare to the amount of time they have the kids in their care is simply disastrous. 40% of all CSA Collect payers are on benefits, costing the country enormously.

Break the link, give people breathing space, make sure the kids who need it get some support and stop hounding decent fathers who regard paying for their kids as a privilege.

The best way I can see to do that is a very easy and transparent levy on all taxpayers with no exceptions.

So far the only ones who disagree seem to be women who want to "make the bastard pay" and a few childless people who seem to resent the idea of spending money on anyone but themselves.

Gender Logic of the commentators
All women hate men
All women are money-hungry
All women lie
All women subordinate their children's welfare to revenge
All men are good
All men are truthful
All men are non-violent
All men are victims of evil women
All men are wonderful parents
And they believe it....

Anti:”Jewely, I'm calling all those women who prioritise getting at their ex above their children's welfare "sick". You seem to be placing yourself in that basket.”

Now how did you come to the conclusion that I do that?

Anti:”Break the link, give people breathing space, make sure the kids who need it get some support and stop hounding decent fathers who regard paying for their kids as a privilege.”

Why not just make Family Court Free? That way I figure tax payers help the whole family. Bastards and Bastettes should have to contribute to the raising of their children still which was why child support was invented. Actually I have no idea why child support was invented.

Silver:” Jewely - you are correct - noone should tell your daughters that they are the ones that get beaten up - it would be patently false. Some 80% of violence victims are men.”

Those stats should even out eventually now that women are allowed to join armies? :)

Aw Mog, hope you have your back to the wall and a blindfold on.

Not much mention about the children themselves. They are the meat in the sandwich. I attend meetings where I see the sad results of people who have lived in situations where they have been torn between their parents. I am talking about adults who have suffered most of their lives from the fallout. If people who have children attended some sort of basic parenting classes, where both parents could learn about the vunerability of a child's mind maybe that would be a start. Young minds are like putty and once a pattern has been established it takes years to undo if the pattern has been a bad one.

I myself have a couple of grandchildren whom I have not seen or heard of for over seven years. I came to terms with this, however my grandchildren were so poisoned by their mother and her family from babies that their father's relationship with them was ruined. There was no violence in the marriage but a domestic violence order was taken out and used to prevent any communication. From the day of the divorce my son has not spoken or seen his ex-wife. He did get to see his sons who live interstate a couple of times a year for a week for the first 10 years but it was always a strained relationship. The wife received a furnished paid for new home at the divorce and my son has not worked since as he said he could not see the sense in working for lost causes. My son now lives in a small house in the bush where he says he has some peace.
I devote my time to my other grandchildren.