Dan, Here's a tip. Stop lying and you won't need checking, persuasive or not.

I baited you deliberately, as an example of what might occur if we all acted like you. *annoying*, isn't it?

I do not believe your assertions were offered in good faith.

To help your memory:

"I believe that exponential is a particular case of expodential, which is the more general term." 1st dec

Your "belief" was in error. For this one, yes, apology accepted.

Sadly you then go on more egregiously, to deliberately spin lies...

"Expodential is an acceptable term with the mathematical function that is often associated with population growth modelling. It was the word that I was taught in school when learning about geometric series. That the word exponential is the current term in vogue these days when raising a base number to a power is possibly due to the Americanisation of English. " 2nd dec

Is not and never has been. *this*, as opposed to the typo, *and* the mistaken (alleged) belief, is a lie, Dan.

To compound it you elaborate:

"This usage is now more fashionable, though the term expodential is acceptable for the wider family of functions." also second dec

Nope. Never was. You made that up.

To answer dictionary owners you attempt to add more cachet to your deliberate lie:

"It’s a phonological mutant. It won’t be found in a standard dictionary. Yet some who have mastered mathematical concepts beyond that which I ever did do occasionally use it in discussions, such as in this exchange:..." Also 2nd dec.

It won't be found in *any* dictionary.

Caught out, Dan.

You are a liar. The typo is not what made you a liar. The initial "belief" that it might be a term reflects that your knowledge of mathematical nomeclature is poor despite having studied some (see 09sept2010). The lie is contained in your repeated attempts to justify this in the face of informed correction.

If your child does a bad thing, will it be ok if he tells a fib to hide it? will your "god" think so?

Get over yourself.

Not at all, CHERFUL.

>>Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or did you just not read my post fully when I detailed what law would be used against them.<<

As I recall, you said:

>>The laws they would use to prosecute them would be wearing an outfit in public so as to cause fear or for being a public nuisance<<

That being the case, why would you not rely on exactly the same laws to address veiled women, rather than introduce a law that specifically targets them as individuals?

>>Again I never said it was more offensive than wearing the KKKoutfits or the German uniforms in public areas. I said it created the same unease and for the same reasons<<

All the more reason to use precisely the same laws for one as for the other, surely?

>>Men who commit violence and terrorist acts against the West in the name of the Islamic religion who have caused the garment to be associated with violence.<<

I don't accept that more than a tiny minority of people actually associate "the garment" with violence. In absolute and direct contrast to your other examples, Ku Klux Klan robes and Nazi uniforms.

Cornflower - I believe that all women MUST have the right to wear what they wish. I fully acknowledge the horrific attitudes to women in Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia etc, but this topic relates to women in AUSTRALIA, not the Middle East. Feminists believe in equality and justice. Why aren't men who wear long 'dresses' turbans etc, particularly if they have a full beard and wear sunnies included? I can't see the difference, except the argument pushed by politicians & others, which is racist,illogical and lacks justice.
When we are adults and have the right to make decisions, that includes making bad or anti-social or?ones. I'd think that young adolescent boys wearing hoodies may have a worse reputation of committing crimes, than women wearing burqas. As I said, probably less than .01 of the population, if that!
It's a misogynist suggestion that is in opposition to what they attest. Alcohol fueled young blokes commit violence on our streets every weekend, do we ban alcohol, or do we leave it to the police to enforce the law?
I lighten my hair colour. Some people do it to change their appearance after they commit a crime - do we ban all hair colour products? This is a madness, and quite frankly,I'm surprised it's still going. We have sexual assaults, violence, equal pay issues in this country to change, and on a world stage, slave trade, sexual slaves, poverty, unemployment, maternal deaths, HIV/AIDS and the elimination of violence via all wars,but firstly those that this country is engaged in. If we really care about women and girls welfare,we'd eliminate all forms of sexual and physical violence - first! Then we'd change the system so it didn't depend on the majority having nothing or less - eliminate poverty.
Burqas are not top of my list,and I'm sure not Afghani women either-it's the underlying violence that makes the assertion that they want changed - soon! We could get out of their country - NOW!

Liz45,

You were asked, "Do you believe as radical feminists and some of the socialist left do, that women must demand the right to wear burqas? They say that demanding the right to wear the burqa is 'essential' to liberation."

I take it your answers are 'yes' and 'yes' to the above.

Liz45 and Cornflower

Liz45 has a point - for a woman who is not "liberated" having another person, in particular a controlling male telling her how to be liberated and what to do, even were she to go through all the right motions would not find true liberation in an existential sense - she would not have experienced liberation in her own heart.

That perspective would support burqua wearing for cultural reasons, and by default due to an inability to prove the difference, would include those who wear it for political reasons - even though their behaviour might be represent a form of treason, as with David Hicks.

Wearing of the burqua is a small and specific issue, as Liz45 so rightly observes; and many bigger issues are at stake globally for all who face oppression and disadvantage in their many forms. Wearing or not wearing the burqua will neither liberate nor subjugate anyone on its own and is not a major issue.

So while I recognise there may be minor issues of empowerment at stake I still feel it is entirely ridiculous and out of place in modern society and it's use should be discouraged by governments as far as possible.

In circumstances where clear vision and visibility of the wearer is needed - such as boarding planes, driving cars, public places - burqua wearing should not be allowed out of respect for public safety. This is entirely consistent with the current security paranoia of Western governments.

Should a minority wish to exercise their right to wear the burqua, they could do so provided they wear it within the law by avoiding the places and activities where it is not appropriate.

As with Howard government rhetoric, which went too far and which I do not necessarily support, those who wish to exercise their rights to wear what they choose also carry responsibilities to others. The burqua should not be singled out. This also goes for wearers of hoodies and other disguises. The main issues are not about respecting cultural difference, they are public safety and a need for accountability.

JanF

I don't believe that banning garb changes the wearer's attitudes or the offensive and divisive ideology it is being used to represent, regardless of whether that is a KKK gown, swastika or the equally hideous, confronting shroud called the burqa.

I think I have made my position clear in that while I wouldn't ban the burqa and I have given reasons for that, including that it would provide troublemakers with a cause celebre, it is inappropriate to require the Australian population, business or government to make concessions for its use. You mentioned hoodies, which is a silly example in that it only concerns ID. However, just taking that example, it is expected that such wearers to remove the identity concealing hood when in banks and authorised persons can ask for the hood to be removed in public areas, in shopping centres or at a public gathering such as a concert.

Liz45 has indicated where she is coming from, but do you similarly believe as radical feminists and some of the socialist left do, that women must demand the right to wear burqas and that demanding the right to wear the burqa is 'essential' to liberation? If so, you are welcome to your opinion. It intrigues me as crooked thinking that is all.