most of my families whining..about my smoking..was cured by me leaving
but of course now they whine about dad being gone..[ya just cant please some people]

i suspect most of the heart break in susies case was by bothering a parent..[or brother]..for being there...and stinking up..the house

seems many..dont like us being there
they much prefer the absent father/brother/spouse

their drinking wasnt the problem
only my smoking...

[they of course spayed carcionogenic fumes into their own lungs..with the airfresheners and other chemicals they adore...

[little realising..that at low tempratures..dioxin and other known cancer causing mutagenes are created...[wood-smoke]

as well benzine*..[that anti knocking lead_replacement..put into standard fuel]..that is pumped into the air..*we all breath..must not escape notice...but no..*blame the smokers..we are the scum of the earth

but lets not take a ciggie to keep calm
lets take a chemical..or booze..or comfort food

i need wonder..how many people are persicuted..*by their loved ones
because their loved ones..drank the coolaid..propaganda..of govt spin..[just to get a new tax..on smokers]

govt has much to account for..in making this lie..believable

but lets forget our concerns
lets hear the heartbreak of susie

who died
what was their job
what was the cause of death
how long were they in hospital
how long did they not work..before passing away

[most smokers go from moderatly sick..to dead..[in hospital..in a few days]...

and as they are under a docter supervision..
no autopsy is called for...nor done..

thus any*..statistics..arnt EVEN..based on fact

[i suspect anti-smoker radicals..are putting the styinky dogs..[like-me]..down..to get the beds ready for the NEXT obese diabetic...or the recovering boozer..

OR OLD FOLK..WHO GOT NO HOME..where they can simply rest in peace
one persons heartbreak..is anothers nagger

only facts can correct the many lies
and heartbreaks...many of us..put upon others

lets simply have facts

Dearest OUG, you can go on living in dream world if you like.
Do you think cancer is all that smokers suffer from?
Take a long hard look at emphysema, chronic obstructive airways disease,and a myriad of heart problems.

In 30 years of nursing I never met a patient with emphysema (slowly suffocating to death over a period of years) who had not smoked or who had not been living with a smoker.

Go spend some time on any respiratory ward in the country and have a few words with the people gasping in the beds. They all wish they had never smoked.

I also visit literally hundreds of people who exist at home on oxygen bottles. Sure, they are all old, but most of their non-smoking friends get to go out and live life to the fullest, even at an advanced age.

I know which group I would rather be in.
You are in denial OUG.
Give it up.

Stroke would be another of the terrible outcomes of smoking.

However I am wondering what ever became of the research started many years ago to find an ultra low tar or nil tar alternative to the high tar tobaccos. It wouldn't matter so much where the person could not give up the nicotine if the toxins in the 'tar' were ultra low or hopefully non-existent. Probably that early research was before the very successful genetic manipulation of plants too, which could also offer a way of engineering better alternatives.

I am aware that low tar tobacco cigarettes have been available for some time and such practices as smoking more or drawing smoke more deeply can defeat the purpose of low tar cigarettes.

Anyone who has visited China might think that an ultra low tar or nil tar alternative with the shot of nicotine could reduce what is destined to be a major health problem in that country alone.

My comments should not be taken as support for tobacco which clearly they are not.

susie/quote..<<..It is a filthy habit..that has caused much heartache..*in my family.>>

are you saying your nursing familiy
or your home/life family

your reply fails to reveal anything on the personal level

you make a case re emphasema..[will you also be aware that many occupations list emphasema...as a hazard..CAUSED in their work...[by their jobs]

i was a spray[painter...we got warned ..the SOLVENTS...cause emphasema

i recall the resqeue workers[at 911]..list emphasema as a main symptom

i also recall the tank cleaners..of f111's..report many cases of emphasema

you mention getting xrays...[that are known to cause cancer]
you make much of a case re emphasema...but yet WHERE THIS FAMILY TRAUMA[heart=BREAK]..of the family?

your a nurse..you must know of adverse reaction..[you know the cause of 1 in 10 hospital admitions?]...ie adverse reation to PERSCRIBED medications..[perscribed by docters..adminesterd by nurses]

how many of your dead patients...have had autopsy?

have any?
how many thjis week

who writes ''CAUSE OF DEATH:SMOKING'..on the death certification..

is emphasema...the cause of death?
this all has a funny smell..to the whole issue

we get too used to...far too many..pat answers
but when the true facts..are accertained..
we realise the simplistic..has been achieved via tained bias..

or claiming personal distress...[in the family]..
where no evidence..for such a claim..has been given

how many died in hospital?
how many deaths got..autopsies?

i shall wager..not very many at all..!

the statistics are based on docters writing..their opinion
their opinioon of the...'cause*..of death''

cause of death..must be something..other than..formerly smoking
how many died from the cure..?

a smoker..working with asbestos...dies from asbestosis..
[or radiologists..from radiation]..not the act of smoking

whats the average survival time ..
for a smoker getting into hospital

my experience is under a week

All you poor saps:) still cant break your little habit? Well have a look at just some of the things that this useless product is doing to you and the people around you.

http://tinyurl.com/2a5v3xg

The day will come where this filthy discussing vile smelling poison will eradicated from the good people that Government tries to show its compassion.... by helping its citizens live a long and full life.LOL yep! but maybe its better to kill off the population this way, than to keep the dummies alive.

I guess at the rate that smoking kills, we can avert war since it takes the same amount of casualties.

Now! At the currant price $15.00 give or take......times that by 7 days a week......times that by 52 weeks in a year............mmmmmmmmm one could buy a good small car for that I thinks.

Anyway.......puff away:)

The government tax office needs your help.

Buy a pack today, and support the winning team.

And just like globe-warming.........its affects wont be felt.lol.

Have a nice day.

Blue

ohhh blue...you whine about the price
its not you that are paying it
it is us...

you can fantisize..about what 15 dollars can buy

one meal in a resterant
or a cheap bottle of whine
or 3 capochinoes
or a pack of nappies
or a cheap watch
or a pair of rechargable tripple c batteries
public transport to work for the day
or a short taxi ride

its pathetic...i dont want any of that stuff
i just want to smoke my smoke
and be left alone
if i die...who give a flick

comprehend..im living my life

i know govt DELIBERATLY made the tobacco industry ADD stink to my tobacco..just so you whiner can winge about the stink

many of you born again high priests of self control used to smoke
but being weak...gave up under presure from nobodies..and do nothings..having nothing better to do that tell YOU what to do

there is going to be a hardcore of smokers
get used to it

you can tax us to our early grave...
you can revile and ridicule us all you like
and blow smoke up our butts about how its killing you
but wqe will go away from you...and go smoke elsewhere..because we love our smoke

just as much as you lot love to feel superiour
holier than thou...and oh so clever

but your just being
what govt wants you to be..[a busy body]

mind ya own business...or go buy your own life enjoyments
but dont be letcuring me about the cost

you lot are decievers
[[heartbreak..it costs your families']...lol

thats about typical
of you zealots of guilt...
laying it on with a trowel..and by the bucket load