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Tuvalu - the touchstone of global warming and rising sea level : Comments

By Cliff Ollier, published 26/11/2010

Real statistics and evidence for the plight of Pacific Islands and sea level rises.

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No doubt the Brits would be hoping that the totally discredited gw myth is shouting in the face of the true believers. Whether it is record cold in Europe, rainfall in Australia or just plain lies being uncovered it is no wonder Ms Gillard is rushing to tax the life out of Australians as more and more wake up to this very bad joke. Can't say along with any other thinking person that I told you so years ago. Has Flannery handed back his award yet or Gore swallowed a little of his pride? I doubt it.
Posted by runner, Monday, 29 November 2010 3:54:33 PM
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Ken, you have been asked repeatedly for any scientific basis for the assertion of AGW, and you invariably talk about something else.

When it comes to irrelevance, and weasel words, Ken, you are up with the leaders.

“Hottest decade on record, after the second hottest decade on record after the third hottest decade on record from multiple independent global temperature estimates - ice sheet loss, glacial loss, ocean heat content rise, borehole temperature rise ,phenological changes - every indicator that we have, ground, ocean and space, all independently showing clear evidence of a warming world.”

Robert Carter in his excellent, recently published book on Climate gives as an example of weasel words, a passage very much like the one I quoted above, from your post, and gives a very good analysis of the manner in which the words are designed to misinform and mislead.

PeterA. You come up with the same tired old warmist mantra of “hottest year ever”, again.

As for referencing the site “Skeptical Science’, you make it clear that you believe low grade unscientific nonsense. It is easily refuted but they do not permit truthful comments, on that site.

There has been no warming of any significance. The last century at its hottest had a warming of little more than half a degree. The warmist nonsense is based on predictions, and as any honest scientist will tell you, it is not possible to predict the climate.

Computer modelling has its uses, but prediction is not one of them.

We are as likely to have global cooling, as global warming, and if we have global warming, there is no scientific basis for asserting that human emissions have any input to it, otherwise Ken would have produced it, instead of attempting to misinform and misdirect us.

Ken even tries to accuse realists of quasi religion. Gore in his last book said that facts are not important, and he intended to work more through religion in the future. Ken appears even more dishonest than the disingenuous Gore, who at least acknowledges that the facts do not assist him.
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 29 November 2010 4:40:32 PM
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Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Mussolini all said, in one way or another: "You are either with us or against us."

Advocates for preventing climate change are close to this way of thinking. I must admit when the first news came out I was 100% behind the environmental movement. The facts keep changing, but now I am still 100% behind caring for the environment; the environment movement..well, it depends on which organisation/group it is.

If we take this article as accurate, then we do not really have to worry about Tuvalu disappearing. But what about the melting Siberian ice or global warming itself? At the very least we should care about all the pollution we keep producing. Yes, I am guilty too: computers, electricity, plastic goods, air travel...but cleaner industries that don't pollute the air, groundwater or the soil are a win-win for all. Otherwise make sure to get full health insurance and start investing in water filters.

http://currentglobalperceptions.blogspot.com/
Posted by jorge, Monday, 29 November 2010 5:32:13 PM
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Yawn...........Leo,Leo,Leo....what will we do with you? Its early times yet my friend but your recording has still got cow smell about it:)( COW methane...punt intended ) OK....Lets look to the future shall we........We know all fossils fuels will run out.......You have to agree with that, cause you know it will..Right. So after you and your ilk dug up the entire planet, and again...you know this will happen sooner or later..right. So its far to say that you will have to come to us greens, cause again..........you will have no choice.

So the bottom line is LEO..... us greens will have the last laugh... and then you will want help after we have told you all this truth is inevitable.lol. but the fossil fuel junkies have conned all the corrupt pollies and their ilk to slowing blend one into the other knowing the risks to the planet.

Ok......Leo............its your sides gamble.

Good luck.

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Monday, 29 November 2010 7:29:32 PM
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Leo Lane never attributes his misinformation, when he is given links dismisses it with out understanding or probably reading.

All he can do it is to point to discredit reports, books or persons.

In fact the ones he names are not even climate scientists.

At no time has any denilist provided (including Leo Lane) any information on what is causing AGW.

The data clearly shows that the temperature have been increasing and 97% of climate scientist believe that we are responsible.
Posted by PeterA, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 5:52:11 AM
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PeterA, 97% of which scientists?
Posted by spindoc, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 7:45:38 AM
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