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Tuvalu - the touchstone of global warming and rising sea level : Comments

By Cliff Ollier, published 26/11/2010

Real statistics and evidence for the plight of Pacific Islands and sea level rises.

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REAL evidence that Global Warming is a wealth redistribution scam is now on record from the UN itself.

http://thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/1877-ipcc-official-climate-policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth.html

Read it and weep you Greenies.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 27 November 2010 2:38:40 PM
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lo. The world was changing right be-fore your eyes.

Paleontology has all the answers. Its funny really, man thinks just when he/she has only just taken off its baby boots, and one has all the answers! Thats! incredible.
How is this your thoughts when so little is UN-understood?



BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:52:01 PM
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SNAG...you say:

"I was at one of the AGW functions a few weeks ago where they were all lamenting how they could "Re Sell" their arguments/achievements."

Mate..did you by any chance notice a whole lot of
-"Che"
-"Mao"
-"Marx"
-"Hammer and Sickle"

Posters hanging around the walls ?

Or..perhaps the more suttle "Wolf in sheeps clothing" of the Fabian Window in the London School of Economics :)
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 28 November 2010 5:53:50 AM
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AlGoreisRich
You drew attention to a site address. I have read it and the main point of the article was, in my view, as shown below. The last sentence (after Why?) is the important comment.
Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
Posted by Foyle, Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:46:35 AM
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Thanks bonmot for having the grace to admit that Fry was a liar when he wept for “his country”, Tuvalu, at the Copenhagen clown fest.

His wife refused to comment when asked if he had been to Tuvalu to live. In fact Fry has been to Tuvalu. He conducted a three day seminar for the politicians of Tuvalu, on lies to tell if you represent an Island community and wish to be part of the AGW fraud on western civilization.

This was financed by that august body the WWF, which also financed a week’s holiday for Fry at Tuvalu following the seminar. The WWF, you may remember contributes unscientific lies to the IPCC Summary, and is an ardent supporter of the AGW myth.

The nonsense about the Himalayan glaciers was not supplied by WWF. That was supplied by an Indian cab driver, phoned by the IPCC researcher, for input to the Summary.

The disingenuous head of the IPCC, Pachauri, was surprised at the public reaction to the fact that the IPCC Summary contained nonsense represented by the IPCC to be science, when it was, in fact, activist misinformation.

Pachauri thought everyone knew that the Summaries were poitical misinformation, and used only as a justification to remove wealth from the Western Nations, and give it to parasites like the UN in a pretence of assistance to undeveloped countries.

http://www.science20.com/cool-links/head_ipcc_surprised_people_didnt_bogus_climate_data

Foyle, it is clear that there is no justification for limiting emissions. CO2 emissions are increasing, and there is no warming. The warming that took place up to 1998 amounted to six or seven tenths of a degree, and there has been none since. This tiny increase is not worthy of attention, and we have had temperatures lower than the baseline since. There has been global cooling, but according to the alarmists, no cooling trend.

The QR National company, just floated, has an income base in coal transportation. The float was a success, and the shares have increased in price since listing.

The real world has moved on from the AGW alarmism. Coal is King.
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 28 November 2010 4:02:45 PM
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Cliff, I'm less than impressed by this article. When a few keystrokes and mouseclicks can take you to global data on sea level like this one http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_last_15.html that includes maps showing a strong and consistent trend of global average sea level rise as well as showing that sea levels aren't rising the same everywhere. And I don't think that peer reviewed science is denying that other factors are involved including geological lift and fall when getting down to specific locations. For coral atolls they also include coral reef growth and health which you fail to even mention; the impacts of warming and reduced ocean alkalinity (acidification) on the reefs look very serious and they are crucial in keeping islands afloat. Reefs are not going to keep pace with sea level rise if they are dead.
Cliff, I think that your failure to look at the major components of sea level rise - expansion of ocean water from warming and continuing loss of land ice from Greenland and Antarctica (Grace satellite data shows greater ice loss and acceleration of it that show how conservative IPCC under-estimates have been) reveals that you are not interested in the broader issues in their entirety but in focusing on bits that you think will divert attention from the big picture and support your 'nothing to worry about' slant. When every institution that studies climate says we have serious problems, I consider intentionally misleading articles like yours - intended to suggest there is no sound basis in the work of thousands of leading scientists - to be dangerously misguided and irresponsible.
Posted by Ken Fabos, Sunday, 28 November 2010 4:27:59 PM
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