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Tuvalu - the touchstone of global warming and rising sea level : Comments

By Cliff Ollier, published 26/11/2010

Real statistics and evidence for the plight of Pacific Islands and sea level rises.

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Considering the Bush family and their criminal wars, is it so unreasonable with voter support gone now, to suggest that the likes of Al Gore, the criminal lab coat consultants, pandering politicians, lazy teachers, criminal PR firms and most of all, the irresponsible NEWS EDITORS, all be round up and arrested and charged with treason for leading us to a false war of climate change? They condemned billions of people to death by CO2 for 24 years and we are supposed to just let them walk away now? Twenty-five years wasted on climate control instead of population control. Email your authorities in your particular part of the world and maybe, just maybe, history will not mock us all for this modern day witch burning of climate change. Meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education. NOW tell us climate change wasn’t a crime!
Posted by mememine69, Friday, 26 November 2010 6:58:29 AM
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good article, I love it when the hysteria is dealt with so well and rationally. Interesting the alarmists always forget to deal with errors or uncertainties of measurements, I guess the story isn't as doom laden if they do include them.

Now if you could deal with the Maldives hysteria, which seems to be pretty well over anyway. The government there has committed to a new very expensive airport and strip, not the sort of thing you do if you think the islands will be under water any time soon.

Clearly the banks loaning them the money don't see much risk.

It made good publicity for the islands though, to be hysterical in the "come and see them NOW" type of tourism marketing push.

A lot of the panic and hysteria of alarmists appears to be used by people as a vehicle for other movements, like immigration to Australia and New Zealand, like tourism promotion, and of course, the ever faithful, give complying scientists lots of money to corroborate the doomsaying.
Posted by Amicus, Friday, 26 November 2010 6:59:03 AM
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Aren't you afraid for your life, Cliff?

Are you not aware that the Proletariat and the Party declared that the sea is rising and the islands disappearing?

Can't you see that this policy is an important segment in their overall campaign for diverting the attention of the masses away from their own faults?

If necessary, they could and would use bulldozers to prove it, but getting rid of people like you is cheaper, so beware...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 26 November 2010 9:39:23 AM
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Plimer and others said this years ago. Few supported him then. Now more are coming out of the woodwork. Well, Tuvalu nearly pulled off one of the great scams of the century. Money to prevent something which was never happening anyway. Brilliant!
Posted by Atman, Friday, 26 November 2010 9:49:57 AM
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Cliff - there is no doubting your reasoning but one of the odd parts of the climate debate is that reasoned arguements which completely debunk climate scares gain no traction and are not repeated anywhere.

You will find that even Dr Church, who is mostly at the more reasonable end of the climate science scare spectrum, will have no idea that any of his arguments on sea levels have been countered - sometimes even after the material has appeared in the refereed literature - let alone be aware of any of the broader problems of climate science.

Scientists may be, well scientists, but they still don't seem to go out of their way to inform themselves on anything apart from what they happen to be working on at that moment.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Friday, 26 November 2010 10:39:46 AM
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It is relatively easy to do a rough and ready test of predictions about rising sea levels for yourself. Just get hold of an old out-of-date atlas (your local underfunded state primary school probably has a good stock of these) and compare the maps with the aerial satellite views of the same islands from Google Earth. It's highly unlikely that you will find any consistent evidence of sea levels rising.

And don't forget the mean sea-level mark from 1841 at the Isle of the Dead in Tasmania -- http://www.john-daly.com/deadisle/index.htm. If the seas are rising, why is the mark still over 30cm above the current mean water height?

Is the sea rising, or is it the AGW ship sinking?
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 26 November 2010 2:24:08 PM
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