Whiteribbonaustralia,

Well I would be absolutely not supporting the White Ribbon campaign, and would regard any man that does as being extremely naive or a sucker for punishment.

I have never once seen a woman with a black eye, out of probably 100,000’s of women I have seen.

However I hear domestic violence everyday, because I hear a number of mothers yelling at their children everyday. If they yell at their husbands, this is acceptable. but if he yells at her, it is now domestic violence.

The White Ribbon campaign does not highlight who is most likely to start the arguments (about 70% of the time the arguments are started by the woman), and the campaign does not state the number of injuries inflicted by women on women (about 30% of injuries received by women are from other women).

I would not be supporting any campaign that tries to hide information, and for that reason I would place the White Ribbon campaign towards the bottom of the list in campaigns worthy of support.

"At the end of the day however, given the undeniable fact that male humans are usually physically stronger than most women and children, the cards are well and truly stacked against them in domestic violence."

That is a common excuse amongst violent females to justify the position w that they can hit men, but men must never fight back.

"When have men not been able to get the help they need?
What sort of help do you mean?
Physical, social and/or psychological help? Who is telling men they can't get help?"

According to our society the problem does not exist. Nobody will listen and men who speak up are treated as freaks. Basically male victims of domestic violence are invisible. Cognitive dissonance demands that we do not exist so therefore we are invisible.

But times are changing. I hope when the invisibility collapses it does not become a 'us and them' issue. All victims should be treated equally, and all perpetrators should be treated equally under the law.

As an embassador for the WRD campaign I am concerned to learn 30% of injuries women receive from domestic violence are from other women. Or rather my concern is that I was not informed of women's role in hurting other women when I was approached to be an embassador for this event. In fact I was led to believe that all violence against women was perpetrated by males alone. On account of this omission I rescind my title of WRD embassador and will reserve my decision to endorse a more candid campaign against violence against women. Violence against women is a problem which must be addressed with a factual analysis of the perpetrator profiles as opposed to misleading simplification.

Typically again, after the definition of domestic violence gets expanded, the same tired old fall back position happens.

Men cause more injury, that is true. But what most seem to miss is that physical violence tends to be associated with the use and abuse of chemical substances and physical violence is the end result of a whole host of other factors.

Ever dealt with some one with a head injury? Or a person who is recovering from an acquired head injury?

Research tends not to include the examination of such factors, even though males are much more likely to experience a head injury through contact sports, or other risky behaviour.

there has been a distinct failure of researchers to examine human relationships as a binary system, where certain catalysts will determine how that binary system operates.

Many of the catalysts are subconscious, It is easy just to examine the overt behaviours, but the hidden convert behaviours can and do influence the over behaviours.

Erin Pizzey wrote that out of the first 100 women to seek her refuge, 60 were as violent, if not more violent than the men that they had left.

My ”female” neighbor kicked her hubby down two flights of concrete stairs. 40 odd years of marriage had ended months earlier and she had decided to be a man and began having testosterone injections. Next minute s/he’s beating the living tar outta him when he drops by to say gidday. I thought maybe the injections were the wrong dose? Or James could be right, maybe her/his head had an injury at some point?

Atman: “Often overlooked in these debates is the fact that men between the ages of 18-23 are the most common victims of violence in our society and have been for some considerable time.”

Transsexuals again?

Piper, I wouldn't give up my day job just yet!

Good on you PaulG for standing up.