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Gay marriage - the moral obligation of our time : Comments

By James Mangisi, published 23/11/2010

Our whole political discourse panders to the needs of swing-seat politicians who look after their jobs first.

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Hey Kipp,

you are right ... Hittler was a fruitcake but he was also a socialist fruitcake with a social engineering program.

good onya

While you say the religious right say 'same sex couples should not have any rights, that they enjoy.' and they might hold that opinion but you must remember three things:
1. It is perfectly acceptable in our society for them to hold such opinions.
2. It is the rest of us you need to convince that you should have equal rights. And most of us agree you should.
3. Marriage is a religious tradition and it is up to you to convince everybody that homosexuals should be able to marry in that tradition. That I think you'll find very difficult.

The perfect solution is to ensure equality by making Civil Unions compulsorty for everyone. Homosexuality is also seen by the religions as an abomination so changing what is religious tradition to suit homosexuals isn't the answer ... and likely impossible.

Anyway if you were to be successful do you think the churches would simply roll over?

No of course they won't.

The churches would likely rename marriage as Christian Marriage and homosexuals would still be excluded from that sacrament. ie nothing would change.

Jeez you blokes really do need to put in a bit of thought as so far I've just seen abuse, simplicity and stupidity put forward by the homosexual lobby.
Posted by keith, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 7:39:47 AM
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Our society now has a completely overblown sense of entitlement, Keith, I agree with you.

For some reason they seem to find abuse and blame reasonable excuses for their own behavior - so they want something from the rest of Australia. They feel they are entitled to it, yet if anyone disagrees with them or questions it, it's abuse and spite.

Which makes people like me, feel like doing absolutely nothing for their cause and even dig in a bit harder to maintaining the status quo.

To the poster who is sarcastic about people asking for a referendum, what is it in the article that refers to it? Or are the words beyond you? Get over people, Australians, disagreeing with you, or having a difference of opinion.
Posted by Amicus, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:02:02 AM
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<<children growing up in a gay household will get on at least as well as those kiddies being raised in one-parent households or those kids who are adopted, right?>>
"fatherless children are:
- 5 times more likely to commit suicide;
- 32 times more likely to run away;
- 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders;
- 14 times more likely to commit rape;
- 9 times more likely to drop out of high school;
- 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances;
- 9 times more likely to end up in a mental institution;
- 20 times more likely to end up in prison."
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/000610-9.htm
Is the bar we should be aiming at for our children?
There will always be children who don't have both parents through circumstances.
This is vastly different to society giving its imprimatur to homosexual arrangements whereby children are deliberately brought into a situation where they are denied their natural birthright of a mother and a father...
"We the state declare that you will never know either your mother or your father and we deny that it is your birthright to have the opportunity to know a mother and a father."
It is not the business of the state to sanction such arrangements.
It is the business of the state to try to ensure the best possible outcome for any child and help to ameliorate the situation where this is not possible.

<<I would imagine that people born homosexual who later 'decide' to deny their sexual orientation will still remain basically non-practising homosexuals."
There is no evidence that people are "born homosexual".
Why not read up on ex-homosexuals who gave up the lifestyle?
Linda Jernigan
Charlene Coltrane
Michael Glatze
Jackie Clune
Janet Boynes

<<Anyone who denies their true sexuality is lying to themselves, and to their God, who supposedly made them that way.>>
Are incestuous couples made that way by their god?
Sexual behaviour is a behaviour.
Homosexual behaviour is not imprinted in anybody's DNA.
Posted by Proxy, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 7:53:35 PM
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Proxy <"Are incestuous couples made that way by their god?"

Yes. Aren't all humans supposed to be made in the image of their God?
How did Adam and Eve's children go on to have their kids?

"Sexual behaviour is a behaviour."

Yes of course it is! I was talking about sexuality Proxy- there's a difference. Look it up.

"Homosexual behaviour is not imprinted in anybody's DNA."

Really Proxy? Where did you read that?
The Christian Chronicle?
The Ku Klux Klan Periodical?

As for your list of supposed 'reformed' homosexuals...anyone mad enough to give up their true sexual self for a religion or God, deserves the sad life they will lead- living a lie.

I have spoken to many Gay people who have tried hard to deny their homosexuality- sometimes for years- before finally just accepting how they were made, and then were much happier living the life they were born to.

Do you think anyone would deliberately CHOOSE to be homosexual?
They are often ostracized, laughed at and bashed just for being 'different'.

They are doomed to a life of hate and bigotry by people like yourself.

I have known several children as young as three, where friends and relatives have KNOWN those children are 'different' already- even before they are old enough to know anything about sex.

They all 'came out' as homosexual in their late teens.
All had both parents at home, and most were living in so-called 'good Christian' homes.
How do you account for that Proxy?
Posted by suzeonline, Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:39:59 AM
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"False analogy.
Race is immutable.
Sexual behaviour is mutable.
Just ask all the ex-gays, who homosexual activists love to hate because they expose the lie."
-Proxy

Or just ask a leprechaun, djinni or extra-terrestial: they're much easier to find than ex-gays.

You're quite right that sexual behaviour is mutable, Proxy. For example, I don't have to conduct myself in the solo symphony as often as I do (I just happen to enjoy it). This behaviour is mutable, as is all behaviour. But sexual orientation is not sexual behaviour, and it is immutable. Believe me, I've tried to mute it. I spent a full hour the other moring trying my hardest to stop being heterosexual, and I still fancy women. And yes, I know this is anecdotal evidence. As I recall, so is all of yours.

"Furthermore anyone who dissents from the homosexual line will be persecuted, as is already being experienced in Western countries which are adopting the homosexual agenda."
-Proxy

ROFLMAO. Huzzah! for paranoiacs, they're ever so amusing.

"There is no evidence that people are "born homosexual"."
-Proxy

This is a lie. There is a good deal of evidence that people are born homosexual, e.g. Bailey, J.M. and Pillard, R.C. (1995). Genetics of human sexual orientation. Annual Review of Sex Research 6: 126-50.

"Sexual behaviour is a behaviour.
Homosexual behaviour is not imprinted in anybody's DNA."
-Proxy

A fair point. Just 'coz you're gay doesn't mean you have to behave that way - there is nothing that stops a homosexual living a life of celibacy. But who in their right mind wants to lead a life of celibacy, aside from some religious folk? Nobody, that's who. Sex is fun, Proxy, and trying to convince folk that they shouldn't have fun just by bullying them is unlikely to prove a fruitful strategy.
Posted by Riz Too, Thursday, 25 November 2010 1:41:12 AM
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Keith,

<<The churches would likely rename marriage as Christian Marriage and homosexuals would still be excluded from that sacrament. ie nothing would change.>>

The issue of gay marriage is not about being like Christians, it's about having the same legal rights and recognition as any other committed couple.
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 25 November 2010 7:35:29 AM
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