The League of Nations and the United Nations were not and are not infallible. They made many mistakes. One of them was to continue to support the establishment of" A Jewish State " Worldwide there was compassion and support for Jewish people after the Holocaust. The problem arose when Zionists pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing and expulsion of Palestinians from THEIR homelands. There would not have emerged a problem if the Jewish people had fostered a secular state in what they believe is a God given mandate.
What the UN has created is a new colony that now has to be de-colonised.
The UN also made a serious mistake in permitting Indonesia to colonise West Papua by the same methods: transmigration and genocide, theft of resources and unabated killings of West Papuans demanding freedom and a new and fair referendum unlike the 1967 " act of no choice".

David, just because you continue to defend the establishment of Israel under conditions where the Palestinians were not consulted, does not mean that such an act of invasion and dispossession of Palestinians will endure into the future. Either Israel will participate in a peaceful solution or else vanish into the sands of time when the rest of the world no longer supports their criminal behaviour.

#Dane

It would be more constructive if you attacked the contents of my article rather than having a go at me.

I guess OLO publish my articles because the editor believes I have something constructive to say.

Your silence as to its contents also indicates you don't like the message but are unable to dispute its veracity.

The truth hurts - and you sure are hurting.

Dear Maracas: you say:

//David, just because you continue to defend the establishment of Israel under conditions where the Palestinians were not consulted//

The "palestinians" were under Ottoman rule. They did not need to be 'consulted' as you suggest. Their attitude to Jews was well established in the massacre of Hebron in 1929 LONGGGGGG before Israel was established. If you read the facts you will see that this massaccre occurred on the strength (weakness) of a RUMOR!

If you realize just how sensitive is the Muslim/Arab mind to ANYthing non Islamic you would do 2 things.

1/ Realize that it's never about "justice and land" in the middle east. Those ideas are just a cloak for hate, fear and loathing of anything perceived to be the slightest threat to Islamic dominance.

2/ Realize that when people like myself and Proxy and others stand strongly against any "Islamization" of Australia it is for very very good reason. Just read about Hebron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Personal attack is the last refuge of a polemically poverty stricken person.

Thank you David for simplifying the situation:

If that's what the whole Middle-East conflict and wars are all about, sacred tombs, then modern science has the answer: dig and find who or what is buried there.

As those fictional patriarchs were never born, neither did they die and left any bones behind, so what archeologists will find there by carbon-testing is likely to be some 1000-year old corpses of an Arab Sheich and his wife, or perhaps just the bones of a donkey or a camel.

Either way, let the findings decide who owns that land, then the conflict is over!

Dear Yuyutsu

you say:

"If that's what the whole Middle-East conflict and wars are all about, sacred tombs, then modern science has the answer: dig and find who or what is buried there."

A point you appear not to realize is that the Palestinians are very busy like beavers REMOVING any possibility of discovering anything which might point to Israeli pre-existence. That's the whole point of David's post. It's not that there 'isn't' anything..it's that one side is intent on making sure that what IS there would NEVER support Israel's claims.

But archeological digs are well established so as to confirm so much of the Old Testament, it's a silly exercise to try to suddenly call for new ones. (they are going on all the time) Just familiarize yourself with the academic literature please.

A_BASIS_FOR_HOSTILITY in Palestine. Much as we would wish 'utopia' to arrive... there are factors which those unfamiliar with the true teachings of Islam simply "don't get" and it is those ideas which are driving the Palestinians. (more so than land)

I've often quoted chapter 9 v 29 from the Quran. Here it is.

9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Here is a commentary from a widely respected Western based Muslim cleric who would be termed a 'moderate'.

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&subsection=Misconceptions#13

"Some people have falsely concluded from verse 9:29, that Muslims are commanded to attack all non-Muslims until they pay money. In fact, such an interpretation is completely false and contradicts authentic Islamic teachings. Commenting on this verse, Shaykh Jalal Abualrub writes":

MY_COMMENT. You need to ponder this above paragraph for a moment.. let it sink in....THEN read the man they refer to(below).

These Ayat (Quranic verses) stress the necessity of fighting against the People of the Scripture, but under what conditions? We previously established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for attacks against them. If any of these offenses occurs, however, Muslims are permitted to defend themselves and protect their religion. Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace pacts with them, or non-Muslims who live under the protection of the Islamic State.

MY_COMMENT. If you look 'closely' at the conditions which justify v 29 being applied, they include "prepare for attacks" and THIS...is the point where subjective value judgements come in. It is also why and how radical Muslims can easily justify their attacks on places like the MCG and Holsworthy.