> Need I really go on?

Yes.

I didn't ask what you think sexual equality is *about*, I asked you what you think it *is*.

It's not the sexes being the same for obvious reasons.

That being so, you still haven't explained
a) what it means
b) how they could have equal rights before the law in respect of their factual differences, or
c) given their factual differences, why they should.

Does a man have an equal "right" to give birth to a child? Should government provide him with an "equal opportunity" to do so? It's obviously nonsense isn't it? And why is it nonsense? Because of the factual difference between them.

By the same token, should a woman have an equal "right" to greater reproductive success by having sex with multiple members of the opposite sex?

These factual differences give rise to issues of right that cannot be solved by bashing men over the head with an insistence on paying for a double standard by which women have the advantages of patriarchy, and the advantages of abolishing it, while men have the downside both ways - and calling it "equality".

What about the equal right of men not to be exploited by policy to pay for women's choices?

So let's not waste time debating the downstream issues. Let's strike to the root. Could you just start by letting us know your *definition* of sexual equality?

I did.

accepts all remarks against her gender, Real women" are not university educated ..
Samsung,
where did anyone make such statements ?
Have your sex toy batteries gone flat & sent you all irrational?

So how do you have equal rights in respect of factual differences?

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Jefferson your ask a good question although I am not sure if you really mean gender equality or sexual.

"So let's not waste time debating the downstream issues. Let's strike to the root. Could you just start by letting us know your *definition* of sexual equality?"

We have pretty much achieved equality in terms of equal access and opportunity. Equality is about having choices - men as well as women. Women and men both enjoy differnet benefits/losses as regards gender and social norms. In some aspects men and women enjoy different access to certain jobs or roles like CEO or homemaker. Some men now stay at home while their wives work, in other families there is some transition between one and the other when there are children to be raised. Other are more traditional.

The point is also about freedom. Many women were forced to stay in marriages that were abusive (men too when marriage was considered sacred) and did not possess the economic freedom to leave. Despite all the talk about men protecting women from other men, what if that man was your husband? Even women's refuges were met with outrage at their first appearance in the 60s/70s.

It is much more than about equality. It is about freedom of choice as much as anyone can have freedom especially once you have commitment to children, work or debt. I hesitate sometimes to use the term 'freedom' because it is not just about freedom but about responsibility as well. You can have both but they are not always compatible. The weighting to freedom and responsibility probably comes down to indvidiaul resilience.

Men and women are different but we are more alike than we think. Ultimately I think we all need to be loved and respected, one comes from the other. If we work from that simple premise rather than focus on self pity and misery we might stand a chance of getting past the gender war phase.