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China versus the US: it is serious : Comments

By Chris Lewis, published 13/10/2010

Will tensions between the US and China increase, and should Australia continue to side with the US?

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Chris, could I urge you to read some of the articles on Information Clearing House, Common Dreams, Daily Kos, Truthdig, etc. It will give you a better idea of what many Americans think about their own country, views which contrast dramatically with your own.

Calling an almost bankrupt, warmongering, torturing, brutal, civilian-killing, imperial country 'mighty' is rather a large stretch, wouldn't you say?
Posted by David G, Friday, 15 October 2010 8:59:07 AM
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David,

I don't mind attacks on PhD, and so on. I agree, they don't really mean much. In fact, I was lucky to pass my PhD, so you may have a point. Also, my Phd was not on China or security issues, so my qualifications are not really relevant in regard to your comments.

My advice to you is to attack the points rather than the man. As many comments made on OLO proves, one does not need a degree to make points of immense significance. I take notice and learn from all OLO comments, including from yourself.

If you take my points just on board, you may realise why I am so passionate about western leadership. I, for one, do not want to live in a world where communist goons, and know alls in the West who always rave on about the primacy of government, rule the roost.

I respect all views, even those that vehemently oppose my thoughts.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Friday, 15 October 2010 9:04:55 AM
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I don't want to live in a world run by Communists either, Chris, but neither do I want to live in a greed-driven fascist world run by corporations, crooked politicians, militarists, and religious fundamentalists.

The problem is we have two extreme ideologies competing with each other for supremacy. Neither one is interested in peace, freedom, human rights, equality, or justice. They are only interested in power, money and domination!
Posted by David G, Friday, 15 October 2010 9:17:13 AM
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David G,

I doubt very much if the present rulers of China are 'Communists' in anything but the name, China is essentialy a mechantilist,capitalist state governed by an authoritarian oligarchy. Rather like Europe in early modern times, really.
Posted by mac, Friday, 15 October 2010 12:01:34 PM
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David - earlier I made the point that at least in the US, Fox News is free to criticize the government.

You said it's because Fox news is an arm of the republican party. My response is: so what?

Absolute power equals absolute corruption. The only way to avoid absolute power is to have a system in which competing systems are permitted to exist. Such is the case in the US. You can argue it's controlled by corporations, or the left wing media, or the right wing republicans, or the religious fundamentalists, or the big oil companies, or the war manufacturers, or the rockefellers, or the Kennedys...

The fact is, there are competing interests.

Not so, in China. The CCP has the final say. On all aspects of society. The judiciary. The press. The executive. The legislature. They are all the CCP.

You argue in favour of a utopian society not ruled by corporate or commercial interests.

Instead you want to emulate a government that puts it all under one roof.

You claim you don't like the Chinese system either, but you don't criticise it at all, in fact, you say the American system is worse.

Yet, the American system permits you to comment about how bad it is. The Chinese system does not.

Saying the Chinese system is better, frankly, is dumb.

(As is saying the US system is more corrupt than the Chinese system. Again, read up on the separation of powers and at least acknowledge how crucial it is to a functioning society).

Ultimately, you're never going to have the utopia you describe. You will always have people trying to seize control.

The CCP doesn't accept contrary viewpoints, just ask Liu Xiaobo or any one of hundreds of dissidents under house arrest around Beijing.

Say what you will about the US, in contrast to other potential superpowers, they have always had a relatively strong devotion to Free Speech. Political agitators aren't imprisoned. People are free to speak their own views.

Yet you say a system that would deny you the chance to criticize it, is better.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Friday, 15 October 2010 1:44:52 PM
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TRTL, obviously you haven't heard about the CIA raiding the homes of American anti-war advocates, taking their computers, trying to frame them as terrorist supporters.

Obviously you haven't heard about the FEMA camps or the U.S. Government tracking emails and bank accounts of private citizens.

And what about rendition to foreign countries and the use of torture? Sorry to disillusion you but the truth is the truth whether you like it or not!

The U.S. is a pariah nation that is seeking world control via military force, (much like Hitler did!).

Cheers.

http://www.dangerouscreation.com
Posted by David G, Friday, 15 October 2010 2:36:49 PM
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