A fair point Joe, and that would need to be clarified;

It would be appropriate to require if the patient were capable of flipping a switch, then they should do so, or otherwise demand some witnesses (preferably other doctors, possibly a lawyer though that may be getting too excessive a requirement).

This also raises the question of who is qualified and should be obligated to play a part, and what happens if such people fail to show up?

Go on-

hfa/quote..<<Your religious cults..have obstructed every scientific and medical endeavour..known to mankind,>>.

when/your presuming..please base your presumptions..on facts
your athiestic streak...reveals much/error

had/they decided to/obstruct...'every' scientific/medical endeavour...there wouldnt be any...

but you couldnt grasp how/much they have shapped..
everything from palitive-care..to botanical/astrological-science

but your bias..has blinded you/into making extravigent/egsagurations
...easilly disproved..by any..with even a basic grasp of the facts..[which clearly you..lack]

<<you must/be..horrified..hearing..an in-vitro fertilisation specialist..has just won a noble-prize?>>.

the way your carrying/on..you would think..you had won it
if you recall mr noble...invented explosives...that kill..and main many..even today...

where-as invitro..gives life/joy..of parenthood..to many...
worthy to win a better prize..than from one/that-made..his money
from blowing up kids...

who only concieved the peace/prize..
after reading his own orbituary..[printed in error]...
and he realised his true..'gift'..to humanity/was the..destruction of war...

but you possably cant grasp the irony
so blinded are you by science

yet further/clear error abounds from your every/biased-word

i was raised athiest...a true science believer
lived/breathed science...and decried god..for near 30 years

then realised..much sold as science-fact..is pure deciet
[or at least theory...and unable to/be replicated]
but you in your blind ignorance
enjoy being decieved

and thats fine...its not your call..to euthanise..or not
so you can afford to remain ignorant...

im only intersted..in helping those
who/are facing..the moral challange..of their life-time

death holds..no fear for me...
[i dont use/want/nor need..any docters]

not much time..for lawyer's/politions/
nor ignorant..athiests..such/as you..either

anyhow cheers eh

enjoy your..one short life
may we...never meet again..eh?

king-hazza/admits joe..to have/made a fair...point
so lets..egsamine..his..'point'..point-by-point
as mfa/has-gone..silent

quote/joe..<<You've/nailed-it,..HFR:..as Richard-Dawkins..wrote>>ok he claims..utterance..of..the famed/asstronimer[dick-dorkins]..as infalable/lol..because?

he/uttered..<<just after..9/11,.."one/of..the most dangerous-myths..is that/there-is..an afterlife,>>..SO PLEASE..MR...dorkins/..joe/..mr;sfa....please prove*..your opinion..
WITH/PROOFS...verifyable FACTS

the/only proof/prophered..being<<to which..Islamist/suicide-bombers..think-they/will..go to consort with their/own 72 perpetually-renewable virgins.>>

[you/havnt..seen..the vile-virgin..[love-less...
who roam in hell...so dont be supprised of/karma..
not equalling their hope..

but your proof..is yet another..athiestiic?..god-head

<<As Schopenhauer..?..suggested,<<if you can convince..a/Christian that/there-is..no afterlife,>>thats a big...IF

<<he/will..become an-atheist..within twenty minutes>>
again..please..give..your/..PROOF?.

'he'../implies..its a..male-thing
20 minutes..is very specific..even/scientific

but lets-hear..YA PROOF?



<<And yes,..the worrying-thing..at the moment-is..
the similarities between Islamist,..'Eretz-Israel'Jews,
..fundamentalist/Christians, and..even the..Hindutva..'Aryans'>>

you/claim..only one..brief-life/whats it-matter[to-you]...
when your dead...you believe..there is nouthing
thus life..has no/added meaning..[for you]..
other..than..it being..chance/fluke/accident..ie..[not design]

then/missrepresent<<that/they-think>>as being proved/errant
how..is your..errant/thought..any more valid?

<<..(a)..that/there..is a god>>thats..your/point?...lol

please prove..your opinion
this is meant..to be a debate..
based on fact...[how about..presenting/some?]

YOUR./further..evidence...being<<(b)..that by/being obedient..to a book,..they can gain/eternal life,>>>oh how ignorant..those blinded/by ignorance can be

HAD..you read...THE/books..you would know
we all..are re-born..yes even ye unbelievers

but why comfort..those rejecting/gods grace/mercy/
thus chosing to re-birth..[yes ye must..ALL...be-born..AGAIN]..
even/those destined..to rebirth,..in the darkness of/hell..

simply/via rejecting..god's/love/mercy[the light]...
leaving..for them..alone..the dark/hells..
where the other..godless[rejecting grace/mercy/love...CHOSE..to dwell

<<It's ironic..that deep-believers,>>>[closed-minds]..of all errant/beliefs..get it all wrong/..consistantly..

be it 100/demonic-virgins...that the life-giver/..gifts*
..to those doing murder..of life..only he/can..make live..[science hasnt/even-come..close/to creating/let alone evolving..life..lol

<<and deep-Greens,..that/devalue human life>>>hey mr ignorant
your shooting athiests...with ya friendly fire...lol
typical of the level of debait

<<one mob/proclaims..that a post-earth/life>>to wit believers

<<the other-mob..seems to despise/humans..so-much/that..they would rather..they didn't exist..at all.>>>
flat-earther/..athiestic..one life..thats/it..types?

<<god-believers..are the ones/who oppose euthanasia>>
that ye do/did..to the least..ye did/do to god

<<earth-believers..are quite/enthusiastic..about-it>>
figuring/they..wont be-held..to account

karma...declares...more/of..THE SAME..[you gave]
thall-be/given..in the same/coin[like for like]
love4love/hate4hate/beware for what you wish/for

how/about proof...mate?

i regret/my-words..to-be..so/harsh

but had..my lessons/learnings/facts..been applied...to me..more blunt..
maybe i wouldnt..have been decieved..by faulse-athiestic/deceptions..for so-long

see/athiests...cant prove/their faith
have/no-facts..only opinion..hurt..to give/for..hurt/..born of fear/disappointment

see we..judge/god..by human-measure..eg..[how-can/he..allow/suffering]
but see/we are between..beast/angel

we stradle...seemingly-alone..
between..the material..and the spiritual
we/search..for logic..trying to make sense..of the in/sensable[that unseen...that sustains life...seeking cause..seeking answer

maybe/you can find solace/answer..in this quote
[from..'the gate/of heaven]

<<the altitude/of our-belief
by no/means-affects..the/validity-of..a fact...>>

except/we can..convince/ourselves/others
of the most-seemingly contradictory..fantasies/
blinding us..from/seeing...the true/facts..

ie..life from non-life
something..your..athiestic/godheads-even
have failed/to..achieve/replicate..[despite..their-many..theories]


but/back-to..the quote..<<The/wise-men,..of the ancients..asserted that/the..earth-was..flat,..with four/corners,..but all/the beliefs of philosophers,..scientists,..and churchmen..in that/respect..were wrong.

Beliefs are/always-subject..to revision/on the discovery of-facts,..and we are/now..standing face to face/with..a fact which proves to us,..that modern/ecclesiastics/and-science..are not..more
infallible/than their predecessors>>see/my many debaits..on the topic

evolution/rebutted
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0
why/we egsist
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0
xtian/athiesm/refuted
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2411&page=0
even my latest
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008&page=0

back/to quote..<<The difficulty..confronting you/us..is not/that the life..upon which/you have now entered..is wrong,..but rather/that
the..conception*..you formed of/it...under the direction of/those who knew/no more-of..its realities..than/yourself..is wrong.

But you/yourself have/lost..nothing in..the discovery.

If you have/not..entered into the immediate/rewards..they foretold and promised..in return for your belief,..neither/have-you..been visited by/the punishments..with which..they/threatened-unbelief...>>

revealing..that which/your rejecting..isnt so much..god..as much as the fruits of woing-belief/..miss-directed faith..in those..who also have no clue..no idea/about-that..which they dare opinionate

much..we have/been..taught..is wrong

<<new conditions/of being...from child/like-faith..to teen curiosity..to adult.surity..so much/so..that I am already scarcely
able to..recognize my/old self.

Don’t misunderstand/me...

I WE/are..in..the/presence of a..problem..that has..never yet..
been solved,..and I wish/to deal..with-it reverently.

The most/unique..production/the-earth..contains is/Man
a congeries/of..apparently-insoluble/mysteries.

A creature..formed of clay,[or from primevil-soup]..but reportedly..bearing the image of/the invisible God.>>
the unsen cause/of causes..sustaining even the most-vile..thier living

<<A curious/compound..of animal/and..angel,
with one/foot..on either side{of}..the line

dividing the two..dimensions of space-time/matter,..
the/physical part..operating in the third,..and the spiritual/working in the fourth.

In the daytime..he is employed/in..subduing and replenishing..the
earth,..and in the/sleep..of his nights..he is called to study/and graduate in/the university..of heaven.

In this qualification/and adaptation..to occupy/a position-of citizenship/in two worlds,..we can see at/once..the sublimity and dignity of manhood,as designed..and provided/for-by..the matchless wisdom of the Creator.

In/this great-achievement,..consciousness,
through-the/agency..of..the sleep-life>>

or dream-time..as the/first-people..call-it

OUG>

"And the deep greens devalue human life". what! UOG, please stay off the what ever it is your on. I'll have you know, I have saved 78 peoples lives in the day of the surfing scene, and you want to talk about carma! lol,

Why is this still such a hard thing for you all to get your heads around?
The next thing you will be calling me is Dr death. I don't know what you have wedged in your rectum, but for god sakes, go and see a doctor, quick.

Pizza Hazza

"This also raises the question of who is qualified and should be obligated to play a part, and what happens if such people fail to show up"?

Well, you may as well give the job to me since by OUG,s definition ( and as it would be,green supports devalue human life so much and I guess you could say the greens are having a clearance sell this week....Two for the price of one.

Hurry In! Sale starts tomorrow.!

OUG.

You have to be kidding, right.

This subject as been ran over so many times now, its sounding like a broken record.

Get the legal papers in order, and get on with it.

Iam not getting any younger.

TTM>

Loudmouth, these religious nutters don't even realise their mythical cults are simply left overs from astrotheologic sun worship, their whole religion is based on the zodiac the "god son je-SUS and the twelve disciples", are simply the god SUN and 12 zodiac houses, multiply the imaginary Islamic 72 virgins by 5, equals the 360 degrees of the zodiac, multiply the 360 degrees of the zodiac by the 4 seasons, equals 1440 times one hundred, the mythical number 144,000 that will be taken up in the mythical imaginary biblical rapture the cult nutters are indoctrinated into believing and all waiting for. What a pack of gullible fools these religious cults manipulate with their charlatanisms?