Kelly, the latest facts about Australian soldiers being involved in killing children can only serve to disgust the general public. Talk about rules of engagement is vain: we shouldn't be there in the first place. Afghanistan has never attacked or offered to attack us; we are only there as part of a general policy of currying favour with the USA, which has become an imperialist behemoth steeped in perpetual war. May we see all foreign troops withdraw soon.

This is about the only thing the Greens are right on; and I can only hope they learn consistency and end their war on Australian society at the same time.

Why do not tell us of a nice, transparently clear war with our boys as valiant dragon fighters and our Kelly as PM?

A very good article;

And quite frankly, we, Australia, should pull out simply because we're just putting ourselves in a worse situation on behalf of an ally that doesn't even look out for us.

At least we stood up to them when they tried to dump the Gitmo psychopaths here, and told them where they can stick them instead.

Kellie,

Yes, when it's all boiled down, why should we be concerned about those Afghan women who have raised their heads, or for their families ? Al Qa'ida has never actually attacked Australia, nor have their Taliban protectors, and in any case Afghanistan is a long way away, and therefore not our problem. We can't fight every human rights battle.

Perhaps we might get some peace and quiet for a while, if the Yanks and their allies all pulled out of the country, and left it to the Taliban and to all those groups around the world who similarly believe in the Caliphate, Allah's Word ruling the world, and who would find Afghanistan a safe haven. After all, al Shabbah, LeT, Jamaia Islamiya, Abu Sayyaf, AQIM, etc. and the Salafi groups in Yemen, Eritrea, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Senegal, India, SW Iran, Uzbekistan, etc., are all focussed on countries other than ours.

So while they may wreak havoc elsewhere, we can be thankful for a while that they will leave us alone. As the Taliban expands out through Pakistan and its allies move into Kashmir and India itself on the one side, and into Iran and Uzbekistan on the other sides (not to mention into the Muslim republics of the old Tsarist Empire), these are not issues that we need to pay any attention to. These countries are also far away and not really in our proper zone of interest or concern.

In any case, as the region of the Caliphate moves outwards, it may be possible to negotiate and do deals with the Taliban, al Qa'ida, LeT and even Jamaia Islamiya - after all, these are reasonable people who are simply, in their own terms, seeking to bring non-believers into their realm of believers, all over the world.

Yeah, that might work .....

I hope I live to see the day when Bush, Blair Howard, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield and others of the Neocon gang, stand trial at The Hague for war crimes.
If there is any justice in the world, it will happen soon.

Pres Ahmadinejad of Iran recently addressed the UN and said the US Govt was involved in 911. 27 countries walked out in protest.We did not howerver hear that 165 countries remained and gave him a warm welcome.

It is about time we had an international investigation into 911.

He quite explicitly did not, Arjay.

>>Pres Ahmadinejad of Iran recently addressed the UN and said the US Govt was involved in 911.<<

http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2010/09/ahmadinejads-un-speech-full-text.html

He merely used the confusion created by the "truthers" to take a shot at the US.

"there were three viewpoints... that some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view"

His claim that "the majority" support this view is clearly a lie, but it means that he doesn't actually have to make the claim himself.

He does exactly the same with another "theory".

"It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents."

Again, he avoids any personal support of these fruit-loop ideas, because to do so would eradicate any credibility or legitimacy that he otherwise might have had.

Instead, he cleverly uses the gullibility of the tiny minority of saddo loser conspiracy-nuts in the US (and elsewhere, obviously) to do his work for him.

These are what are known as "useful idiots", Arjay.

I hope you and your oddball bedfellows get a real kick out of being part of President Ahmadinejad's propaganda machine.

Sarnian
You forgot Obama, Rudd and Gillard - all war criminals who should be in prison doing life.

Pericles,We have the scientific proof.So let's have an international investigation.Ahamdinejad "Some elements of the US Govt orchestrated
911." Seems pretty clear to me what he meant.

That was one of "three viewpoints", Arjay.

>>Ahamdinejad "Some elements of the US Govt orchestrated 911." Seems pretty clear to me what he meant.<<

He specifically did not put forward the claim himself.

You still haven't read the transcript, have you?

Pericles see http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and see over 220 military,Govt law enforcement people who question the offical 911 conspiracy theory.

Lt gen Hamid Gul Former Dir gen of Pakistan Intelligence
Hugo Chavev Pres of Venezuela
Mahathir Mohamed former Prime Minister Malaysia
Thomas Kean Chairman of 911 Commission
David Marcus General Counsel 911 Commission
Geroge Galloway Mem British Parliament 1999-2004
Ernst Welteke Pres German Federal Bank 1985-92
Francesco Cossiga Pres Italy 1985-92
Yukihisa Fijta Senior Member House of Councillors Japan
Vladmir Putin
Hosni Mubarak Ex pres of Egypt
Gen Pervev Musharraf Ex Pres Pakistan

These are just a few Pericles calling for a new independant investigation into 911.I'd suggest you study the evidence on http://ae911truth.org/

Doesn't convince anyone, Mr "Colour-me-Gullible" Arjay.

Most of your list has a political axe to grind, and a strong motive to discredit the US. On anything.

I'd put Hamid Gul,Hugo Chavez,Mahathir Mohammed, George Galloway, Vladmir Putin, Hosni Mubarak and Pervez Musharraf on this list,in a heartbeat.

Thomas Kean was a paid advisor on (and supporter of) the ABC documentary "The Path to 9/11". No mention of nano-thermite in that one, I notice.

David Marcus - couldn't find any evidence that he's a "truther"

Ernst Welteke told the world that "financial investigators had found strong indications of suspicious dealings in gold and oil, as well as unusual movements in airline and insurance shares, in the days before the September 11 attacks". He didn't point the finger at anyone or any group in particular. Osama bin Laden, for example.

Francesco Cossiga made some statements which he later pointed out had been substantially mistranslated.

http://archivio.lastampa.it/LaStampaArchivio/main/History/tmpl_viewObj.jsp?objid=7190957

If you get some one to translate this for you, you will find that he specifically does not believe in any 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Yukihisa Fujta also retracted some of his more controversial remarks earlier this year issuing a statement in which he said that he "never drew the conclusion that 9/11 was a conspiracy" and did not call the events "a hoax".

Nothing to see here, move along.

Pericles,you are trying to deny the reality.You didn't look to hard ,they are all there towards the end of the 220 listed as patriots, http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Ron Paul is there also asking for a proper investigation.

Thanks for drawing my attention to it, Arjay.

>>You didn't look to hard ,they are all there towards the end of the 220 listed as patriots<<

The one I couldn't find was Daniel (not David, as you had written before) Marcus, whose contribution to the truther cause can be summed up as:

"If tapes were destroyed, he said, 'it’s a big deal, it’s a very big deal'”

A big "if", right there. And a justifiable indignation that someone might have been careless in filling in the paperwork. For shame.

But I couldn't see a single reference to the CIA, Mossad, Bush/Cheney or a secret cabal of international banksters, anywhere.

If this is "evidence", then colour me unconvinced.

Even more unconvinced, if that were possible.

But please, if you are that keen to assist President Ahmadinejad in his programme of anti-US propaganda, please feel free. We do after all respect free speech in this country.

But don't expect any thanks for doing so. You're simply what is known in the propaganda business as a "useful idiot", which doesn't command respect anywhere, even from the people who are using you.

Check it out on Wikipedia sometime. You'll recognize yourself immediately.

If we had a foreign army in our land, with no knowledge of our language, different customs, and exercising a right to destroy our homes and people, we would fight it.
Afghans have been fighting invaders successfully for hundreds of years.
The Taliban gets more supporters the longer foreign armies stay.
The pity is that the Taliban is hostile to women, and women have had the only good results of Western intervention.
Khazai is reported to be talking with the Taliban - you cannot blame him.

Afghanistan, Iraq and the support of Israeli settlements in Palestine make the good works of the West invisible to the Muslim world, for example the toleration of religions in the West that no longer occur in the Arab countries, but occurred in certain times and places.