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By Paul Collins, published 20/9/2010The rise of 'Catholicophobia' or, to put it bluntly, 'putting the boot into the Micks'. Should Catholics 'cop it sweet'?
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Posted by Ozandy, Monday, 20 September 2010 3:15:23 PM
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Hitler an atheist, yeah right? The Christian right wing religious fanatic that slaughtered millions of Jews for Jesus. (Look up "Gott mitt uns" and catholic arrogance.org on the internet). Ask why hasn't Hitler and all the Jesuit Nazi hierarchy been excommunicated by the catholic cult? Must be to busy protecting the catholic clergy paedophile child rapists with the money you idiots donate to the cult?
Posted by HFR, Monday, 20 September 2010 3:15:28 PM
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If a biker gang had been hanging around town bossing people, stealing, occasionally killing and folks finally worked out that the gang is bad for the town, is this realisation "aggressive bikeyophobia"?
Of course not! It is coming to a realisation based on evidence. Similarly religion is on the nose world-wide because it cannot hide behind it's old friends naivety and ignorance. Thanks to the internet and near-instant world wide communications, much of the world cannot be conned so easily any more. More and more people are seeing the obvious connection between religion (any type) and extreme/insane behaviour. Implying that disliking a self-serving group is somehow a "phobia" is typical religion-speak. ie. self serving and underhanded. Posted by Ozandy, Monday, 20 September 2010 3:33:33 PM
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HFR,
We have been through this before: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10844&page=0 Hitler, while baptised a Catholic, was an atheist, and “Gott mitt uns” on the German army’s belt buckles had nothing to do with him. This had been the situation for the regular army since before the First World War, and Hitler’s own army, the Waffen SS, had “My honour is loyalty” on theirs. “Hitler’s hostility to Christianity reached new heights, or depths, during the war. It was a frequent theme of his mealtime monologues. After the war was over and victory assured, he said in 1942, the Concordat he had signed with the Catholic Church in 1933 would be formally abrogated and the Church would be dealt with like any other non-Nazi voluntary association [i.e,. liquidated]…Priests, he said, were ‘black bugs’, ‘abortions in cassocks ‘. …Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition…’Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure’…Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society.’…’National socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.’” (The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans, p. 547) Posted by Chris C, Monday, 20 September 2010 3:56:00 PM
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Chris C,
Whether Hitler was a Catholic or an atheist and what his intentions were to the Concordat with the Catholic Church are irrelevant. The fact is that the Pope signed the document and legitimised the Nazi regime in the eyes of the faithful. Catholics in the Nazi war machine murdered millions of Jews, Roma and Slavs and significantly, Catholic resisters to the Nazis were rather thin on the ground. Catholic clergy also helped suspected Nazi War criminals escape through the infamous 'rat lines' after WW2. Posted by mac, Monday, 20 September 2010 4:25:22 PM
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Hitchens argues that “religion poisons everything” – but it hardly poisoned the work of Beethoven, or Bach, or Haydn, or Brahms, or Bruckner, or Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky or Michelangelo or T.S. Eliot, or countless other immortal creators who shaped music or poetry or paintings or novels with the conscious intention of glorifying God. Plus, weren’t the innovators of universities and charities also Christians, even Catholics? Not to mention practicing Catholics and even clergy who were pioneers in science.
I’ve read that Oscar Wilde is a hero of Stephen Fry’s. Does he know that Oscar was a Catholic convert? So what would Fry think about this? Was Oscar also off with the pixies? One this he did have was a beautiful imagination. We built our ‘civilized’ culture inspired by those who heard the voices of God. Now those who hear voices are more likely to be stigmatised than sanctified. Do our shifting definitions of madness say more about us than they do about those who’ve flown the cuckoo’s nest? Heed Nietzsche's point, that the death of God also means the death of Western morality and Western values The New Atheists embrace a belief system as intolerant, chauvinistic and bigoted as that of religious fundamentalists. But you see, Catholicism is not a fundamentalist religion. We are now on a small planet and there has to be some accommodation and reciprocation, quid pro quo or there is going to be serious strife. Now all you post modernist trendy thinkers, exactly what sort of a so called progressive funky dystopia are you all dreaming about? Are you off with the fairies too? Ingrates. When you are all so dismissive of Catholicism, you are also dismissive of your own inherited Western traditions. You didn’t earn it. And you would not be able to speak so freely as you are now without it. Posted by Constance, Monday, 20 September 2010 4:39:40 PM
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"Phobia" implies unconscious hatred, which is a veiled insult. I am *very* conscious of my disapproval of churches as it is a rational decision arrived at against my early social programming. The evidence sustaining this attitude is bolstered every day.
Folks don't like "holier than thou", especially from the ignorant delivered in a self-serving arrogant manner.
Nice one stevenlmeyer! :-)