How about asking the Aborigional communities what they want to do, instead of saying this is the best way of helping them.
I beleive the best for these kids is to be removed from the remote communities, no matter what the move is named. These people live in a hopeless situation, with the white mans booze, these people are lost, unable to go bush, any and all moneys spent on the remote communities is a dead loss. Sepparation is the best option for the kids, or the cycle will continue

Suzebaby, I don't think he did a dummy spit. You started it with the personal attacks and misrepresentation, so who'd want to debate the subject with you? Not many people I bet.

You and that other bloke got out debated by someone who has had a great deal more experience than you. And you don't like that; well too bad! Live with it and move on.

I've just gone through this topic again, and I ask Transki to come back. Please come back as certain aspects of your posts are a breath of fresh air. I'm sure your posts would be appreciated by many people who are genuinely concerned about indigenous heath issues. You're an insider and I can see you care deeply, and we need perspectives from people like yourself, instead of people who think they can impose solutions from the outside. Please come back, your view is appreciated.

Jockey,

Why do you slag Suze and me as "people who think they can impose solutions from the outside" ? I certainly believe that the people themselves have to be prepared to implement any workable solution, and our point (so I thought) was precisely that people have to do it for themselves, otherwise 'self-determination' is a dirty sham, a mealy-mouthed apology for utter dependence.

There can be no solution which does not involve the people themselves, they are the ones who have to get off their backsides, look after their children, expose and expel child-abusers and violent drunks, and otherwise act like the capable human beings that they can be.

These dreadful problems will only get worse, as long as the people involved think that outsiders will do it all for them.

But I am beginning to suspect that that is precisely what many people in remote settlements think 'self-determination' means - the power to get others to do it all for them, and in a grotesque way, that the less they do for themselves, the more 'self-determination' they have.

Joe

Jockeybaby, you have no idea what experience Loudmouth and myself have had with Indigenous Health issues.
I am a community health nurse with 30 years experience, but I guess that is not the 40 years that Transki claims?
I would like to know in what capacity Transki worked in these communities.

Transki did his/her own "...personal attacks and misrepresentation...," if you read the posts.

All I wanted to know is what solutions Transki had to improve Indigenous health and to help save kids from emotional, physical and sexual abuse in Aboriginal communities.

I may sound a bit cynical, but if you had seen what I have seen, then so would you be.
I had to walk away from that sort of nursing for my own sanity.

I can see why you two exasperated Transki. Loudmouth, you are blaming indigenous people for their plight in your post, whereas Transki was pointing out it is FAR more complex than that. Your attitude in your above post is exactly what Transki described - - - - people coming in from outside imposing solutions and blaming indigenous communities. Transki has the insight, you don't.

Suze, he did NO misrepresentation. Almost all his replies were in response to YOUR personal attacks and innuendo and misrepresentation.

Based on those 2 replies above, I can easily see why Transki was exasperated.

Anyway, no point in me defending him, as neither of you will listen. He can come back if he wishes.