Runner <"Congratulations for your rejection of God and any decent values. No wonder radical Islam is becoming so popular as they observe the godless hypocrisy of secularism."

I'm sorry Runner, but you have me confused about Islam now.
I had no idea they were 'Godless' or that they practiced secularism?
I though they worshiped a God called Allah?
I thought they strictly only worshiped the one God- and did not believe in a secular society? Just like you?

Atman is right. These Chaplains are taught to spread the word of their God- and are often not qualified for anything else.
Yet public school children are sent to these well-meaning Chaplains with their problems about- anything.
We need properly qualified school counselors in our public schools- not just those Chaplains hoping that their God will cure all evils.

What astounds me is why there is any assumption that there is a link between pastoral care and religion. A chaplain trained in religion in most cases has no more pastoral care qualification than say the school janitor.

If the chaplains were provided by the church and attendance was purely voluntary I would have no problem. However, as these indoctrinators are tax funded, and the children are punished for not attending indoctrination, I have a serious concerns.

The Chaplaincy Program is concerning on so many levels. As a qualified Counsellor I find it extremely concerning that these unqualified, virtually untrained Chaplains are allowed to 'counsel' children. If Julia Gillard is hell-bent on looking less of an atheist by further rolling out this program then I would like to see the Labor government stand by their awful decision and guarantee that they will be legally liable for any future damage done to children as a result of the school Chaplaincy program.

Some of the rambling, incoherent comments (of which there have been many) I have read on forums that are opposed to the ethics classes that were trialled in NSW earlier this year and are deliriously happy to see more money thrown the way of the school Chaplaincy program are truly disturbing. I have cut and pasted this one, it was made in response to concerns about the Chaplaincy program - "I'm not sure if you mean that kids finding hope and security in themselves is the way to go? cause if it is than humanity is destined for failure.. because we always do even as adults. Without a higher power to be accountable too our world will truly be an evil place to live in." This comment was made by a school chaplain, currently working in a NSW school.

Chaplains being granted free access to young, impressionable minds will result in litigation in years to come, of that I have no doubt.

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Ya gotta love it.. the atheist hysterical frenzy.

CJ says:

//The Chaplaincy program has always been insidious. It's time to rid our public schools of these proselytising godbotherers and replace them with properly qualified counsellors.//

Implying of course that no 'Chaplain' could ever have a secular counselling qualification? no bias there eh CJ. Good to see your clear thinking is on the front burner today as usual.

Then 'Bitey' sinks his fangs in:

//School Chaplaincy is just mis-guided quackery, poisoning young minds to boot.//

Yep.. *poisening*.. in fact it's so bad and so poisonous that we open our Parliament with a prayer of Christ:

Our Father, in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our traspasses as we forgive those who trespass against us....etc"

Utter POISON !..... quick.. grab the torches...we can lynch a few Christians before morning tea.

But.. you might always remember these words... and reflect on them.

"God is not mocked, whatever a man sows, that also will he reap"

This applies at a societal level also.

The alternative of course to 'Chaplains' is, according to our resident oracles "Qualified" Counsellors.

A discussion of where an atheist counsellor might take a vulnerable child is as close to *hell* as I want to ever get.
Jesus understood it though..

"Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?"

We would have the 'qualified' blind, leading the 'born' blind further into darkness, and all of them falling into that pit.

Yes..we need 'qualified' counsellors, those who can at least offer enquiring children a ray of divine light & hope in an otherwise meaningless cosmos

""It is hilarous that most of those opposing Chaplains have no problem with their kids going to Kylie or ga ga concerts. No wonder many of the kids are acting as sluts by the time they are in their teen years.""
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:19:09 AM

I oppose ga ga and Kylie as much as I oppose Chaplains and Imans. I oppose slutty kids, slutty teens, and slutty adults (of both sexes).