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Flying the flag, faking the news : Comments

By John Pilger, published 8/9/2010

Edward Bernays, the American nephew of Sigmund Freud, is said to have invented modern propaganda.

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Thankfully, this is a short article. I read Pilger on the odd occasion, as I like to keep watch on enemies of our society.

I first noticed him when he called for a war memorial at Patonga, for aborigines killed in the battle of Patonga, a battle which never occurred.

I wonder if he based his efforts to warp and distort public opinion on his reading of Bernays, or devised his own parallel method.

“Fact: There is no victory of any sort.”

“Fact: As a direct consequence of the Anglo-American led invasion, a million Iraqis have died”

What an insult to one’s intelligence.

Understandable, since it is only the most blatant, factless, nonsense which wins the lefty controlled media awards, and sells his wares. Pilger is no doubt very well off as a result of the nonsense he has loosed into the media.

He should now realise that enough is enough, or more than enough, in the case of his product, if this article is a fair sample.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 1:13:30 PM
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How ironic it is for Pilger to describe Bernays as "an elitist liberal who believed that 'engineering public consent' was for the greater good" because this is a perfect description of Pilger himself. An elitist left-wing propagandist of the first order.
Posted by Atman, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 8:23:22 PM
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Fact; Pericles is totally inconsistant in his appraisal of Pilger.In his last post you praised him.You copped out in our last argument Pericles because the truth got too hot for you.Just because Pilger takes the Zionists to task does not make him or myself a bigot.

Pilger increasingly speaks the truth which too often cuts to the quick of those who don't want to hear it.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 9:17:19 PM
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I am disgusted that the media has consistently pushed lies. The blatant nature of the re-writing of known history was stunning. What is more disappointing however is that the majority of Australians have accepted the media line without question.
Pericles: Why is the best figure of over 1 million dead so inconceivable? They bombed a major modern city! They destroyed power (no refrigeration, no fresh food or medicine), they destroyed water supplies. Compared to the military's figures it is laughable, but the military didn't do any research! Those countries that did all reported millions rather than tens of thousands.
Why are folks so resistant to evidence based facts (distrust I guess), yet so willing to take on the spiel that is known to be generated for "public relations" reasons. More importantly, why do we let the bankers off the hook? Liberals hate "dole bludgers", yet think nothing of taxpayer bailouts for companies that rake in billions and pay executives obscene "salaries".
I hope John is right and that the Europeans will demand the truth be admitted to. I also hope the US citizens will wake up some day...but that might be asking too much. Ignorance as a way of life seems pretty set-in there. I worry it is gaining ground fast here too.
Posted by Ozandy, Thursday, 9 September 2010 8:54:41 AM
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Not me, guv.

>>Pericles: Why is the best figure of over 1 million dead so inconceivable?<<

You are looking for Curmudgeon.

>>The point I would take issue with his is the statistic of one million Iraqi deaths as a direct result of the US-led invasion. Bwwwwhahahahahahaha! The figure is inherently implausible - actually its impossible<<

My take is that we have been told so many lies about Iraq, over such a long period - right back to the invasion of Kuwait, in fact - that I am prepared to believe any figure that is larger than the "official" ones.

As I said:

"As it happens, I have little argument with Pilger's position in this piece on the topic of Iraq. The whole saga is a tragedy, and he nails the lies accurately and succinctly"

Whether he is himself in possession of the truth is of course a horse of an entirely different colour.

And where did this come from, Arjay?

>>You copped out in our last argument Pericles because the truth got too hot for you.Just because Pilger takes the Zionists to task does not make him or myself a bigot.<<

Where did I mention bigotry?

Where did I mention you, come to that?
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:35:40 AM
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Ozandy

My sentiments exactly.
The entire Iraqi debacle, starting from the aftermath of the first Gulf War is a modern tragedy.
The effects of the on the population wouldn't have been too difficult to fathom after a decade of sanctions. What condition were they expected to be in even before the 2003 invasion?
Noam Chomsky in "Hegemony or Survival" pointed out that two respected U.N. diplomats who were the chief U.N. humanitarian coordinators, Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, resigned in protest in what Halliday described as the "genocidal" character of the U.K.-U.S, sanctions.
It is entirely within the bounds of probability that many deaths in Iraq since the first Gulf War, although not directly attributed to military operations, are linked to the overarching tactics employed by the Coalition.

Let's hope Pilger keeps chipping away in whatever capacity he sees fit.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:43:17 AM
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