Oh well Banjo thinks I am irresponsible for wanting to save money so pointless discussing the issue
I remain opposed to changing from a secular commonwealth (republic) with two heads of state to a so called republic with constitution unknown and a bill of rights which will undoubtedly remove rights we have now. And in which the head of state will most likely be appointed by the PM

Christians don't vote for the Green. BTW Bob Brown is on Press Club today at 1230pm

Bye

ALGORE,
Can we talk about Greens policy in Australia, not some paranoid conspiracy theory from America? In harping on about it you’re coming across at the level of the ‘aliens probed me and it hurt’ fanatics.

If you want to talk about REAL conspiracies at the global and national government levels, I have far, far more material about how fossil fuel companies have donated to anti-science campaigns to misinform us about climate change.
http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/denial-machine/

If you want to talk about REAL threats to our way of life, google “Ecosystem Services” or read this link to my blog.
http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/ecosystem-services/

Ecosystems services provide us with so many financially viable services that I cannot imagine the global economy, indeed civilisation itself, without them.

While you’re stuck in real-estate grabbing conspiracies, biologists tell us half the biodiversity on this planet is threatened with extinction, largely due to suburban growth! We NEED ecosystem services. Your mindset says *any* curbs on development must be a Nazi threat. That won’t do.

You act as if there are no government mechanisms for investigating such property confiscation issues in Australia, and assume that if it happens once that’s the end of our democracy! Yet people have sometimes had to leave homes due to rail and road expansions, and there are mechanisms for reviewing fair compensation in these situations. The rights of the individual does NOT always come before the good of a community, but we can at least compensate them.

ENDLESS DEVELOPMENT = MINDLESS EXPANSION = UGLY SUBURBIA FOREVER = OVERSIZED, ENERGY HUNGRY MCMANSIONS = FAT CITIZENS = COMMUNITY DESTRUCTION = HABITAT DESTRUCTION = ECOSYSTEM COLLAPSE = BANKRUPT NATION!

And if you want to talk to me further, you’ll please watch my 3 minute “Built to last” video about New Urbanism, and actually engage with *some* of the material I put to you above, or I’ll realise this is not a conversation but a monologue. I wasted 20 minutes watching that video of yours… eeergh.

I’m not your “Padawan”, and you are not my “Master”.

Boazy

"Heyyyy Johnny..... whadaya mean I don't like to listen to Atheists ? grrrr

I don't care what a persons belief is.. I engage with what their ideas are mate.. Some atheists have great ideas.. Col Rouge is one.. we disagree on abortion but on most other things we click 100%"

HAR HAR HAR

I dunno which is funnier; claiming Col Rouge is an atheist or using him as a poster boy for "great ideas". Man, I feel violated just reading some of his authoritarian, born-to-rule, neo-con rhetoric.

I may have been away for some time, but that doesn't mean I have forgotten everything - not as ancient as you old fellow.

Here, this'll nudge your memory (but your first clue shoulda been when you claimed you agree with him 100% - man, I wouldn't want to admit knowing Maggie's dearest):

"Yes I do believe in God, I talk to him sometimes and seek his guidance (although he has never responds, in any physical sense and I dont expect him to).

I choose not to follow a religious creed but respect peoples right to choose their own. Only through exercising choices do we grow as individuals. Only by challenging authority do we prevent it from pretending to become "God" and the best way of challenging Authority is by consistently putting the individual at the top of the "social organisation chart" and not at the bottom of it.

Posted by Col Rouge, Saturday, 26 May 2007 11:34:55 AM"

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5879&page=0#81615

And YOU claiming not to care about "what a persons belief is"? WTF have your innumerable posts vilifying Islam been about?

We don't need Christians, just people who give a damn.

Two words you need to look up, Boazy:

Atheist

Hypocrite

Here's a hint, one of these words applies to you and it ain't the first.

Dear John(ny).. I am not breaking up with you :) sorry..couldn't resist that..the name.

I don't delcine to engage in conversation with someone who believes different from myself. "that" is what I mean't.

You aren't a fan of Col ? :) then you wont' be joining he and I at our next Melbourne Central State Library coffee/happy hour in Spring eh ? awwwww *pout*

ECLIPSE (Dave)... "hi".. you have a most interesting background !

My main qualification is an Advanced Diploma in Social Sciences (First place) which is why I tend to approach sustainability in BROAD, sociological terms rather than zooming in on scientific minutiae.

Errr.. yet you pick on me for 'broad conspiracy' utterings ?
Dave..I've seen the connections, verified them... it's spooky.

But this blew me away:

-I’m a Reformed Sydney Anglican, Calvinist, ....(ok so far)
A-mil, (a bit dodgy)

-Theistic Evolutionist (hmmm *curious look*)

-and think “Signs and wonders” were mainly for the establishment of the church and the apostles.

(Probably partly true, but being the recipient of a few (but one of a more spectacular nature) 'signs' and wonders.. I tend to believe they are still with us through the Holy Spirit.. but in His timetable and scenario's not ours.

I think you will appreciate this bloke:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

But this is good regular 'makanan rohani' (look up a translation)

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?catid=12

Just for the record, you have pigeon holed me incorrectly.

You said:

[[Your mindset says *any* curbs on development must be a Nazi threat.]]

No..it doesn't..I'm equally passionate against innappropriate mindless profit driven development.

I'd love to see well planned Urban development.. such as..spaced sattelite cities surrounded by green belts, between Melbourne and Albury.. with a fast train between them.
I need bankrupting amounts of therapy after driving on the Monash freeway ONCE....(God help those who do it twice a day all year)

Singapore's MRT public transport is great. (except the busses yuuuuurk)

Great to hear you're into good urban design and public transport.

However, if you're troubled by evolution then you're probably also a climate sceptic. This also tends to indicate some ambivalence about everything 'green', such as scepticism that so many extinctions are *really* occurring at such a fast rate.

So if you were as concerned as I am about saving functional ecosystem services, how would you do it?

I can believe some of the stuff on your video link may have occurred, but it was the overall scepticism about environmental concerns that drove me nuts. You'd hardly know that there was a biodiversity crisis from that video, and would go away thinking the whole green thing was a conspiracy to end the American way of life! Excuse me while I projectile vomit in 9 different directions at once.

Keep in mind we're discussing why a Christian might or might not vote Green. This is not a review of everyone's personal theological convictions.

King Hazza, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 4:00:26 PM

The common thread through your list is of course that Frank's main concern is for the most vulnerable and in some cases most blameless in society.