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Hung(a)ry for justice: butchered in Budapest : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 9/7/2010

Charles Zentai and the extradition request by Hungary for him to face questioning over war crimes: after 70 years, is justice possible?

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“However no charge has been brought against him.”

I perceive that statement as a “muddying of the waters” Woulfe since I understood that the Hungarian authorities took legal action against Zentai after the war, with allegations that he'd captured Mr Balazs and assaulted him over a number of hours before dumping his body in the Danube River.

Hungary sought to arrest Zentai in 1948 but by then, he’d already fled Hungary and was living in the American zone of occupied Germany as alluded to by the author.

In March 2005, a Hungarian military tribunal issued an international warrant for the arrest of Zentai, the first step in the process which led to a request for his extradition from Australia. Shortly after, the then Australian attorney-general Philip Ruddock saw fit to issue a warrant for his arrest and determined he be extradited.

Australia has an extradition agreement with Hungary, however, the extradition clauses preventing extradition appear to be so numerous (at least to a layperson)I doubt its effectiveness.

It appears there is no longer a domestic legal framework in Australia (or the will) to conduct fair trials for alleged Nazi criminals and it’s evident that Mr Zentai is reluctant to clear his name by merely being questioned by the Hungarian authorities. He will remain a suspect, in the eyes of many.

“(Don’t like your next-door neighbour? Have a mate in the New Zealand Police Force call him in for questioning.)” Does your hyperbole serve a purpose Woulfe?
Posted by Protagoras, Saturday, 10 July 2010 11:08:39 PM
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Protagoras says:

//It appears there is no longer a domestic legal framework in Australia (or the will) to conduct fair trials for alleged Nazi criminals//

Get real Proto... for goodness sake.. our legal system is overburdened with truckloads of local material let along something from a million years ago in a far far off place.

Let's look after OUR own legal back yard first eh? When we are coping and doing well there.. aaah 'then' we might be free to think further afield.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 12 July 2010 4:56:56 AM
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AGIR – “Our own legal back yard” includes Nazi war criminals who are Australian citizens!

Dumkopf!

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s71308.htm
Posted by Protagoras, Monday, 12 July 2010 1:13:53 PM
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It wasn’t only the Nazis that hated the Jews; just about all of Europe hated Jews and were key participants in the demise of Jews.

There is a very long history of Jewish vilification in Europe, in the UK for instance, King Edward 1st in 1274 on his return to England from the Crusades was dismayed to find that many of his subjects had defaulted on excessive mortgage repayments and were being dispossessed by Jewish money lenders and left in destitution. So King Edward issued The Statute of the Jewry which placed the Jews under a number of restrictions for the following 15 years, but most importantly were forbidden from money lending. But the Jews had continued money lending and making huge profits in secrecy, the King in anger then issued to all of the Jewish population the 1290 Edict of Expulsion from the UK.

From the UK they went to France and after 100 years of the same practices were expelled in 1391. From France they went to Austria and after 30 years were again expelled in 1421. From Austria they went to Spain and Portugal and after 70 years were again expelled in 1492. They were not welcome in all of Europe and with nowhere to go after their expulsion from Spain and Portugal their situation had become critical. Surprisingly or more likely dismissed by many Islamaphobic provocateurs, Emperor Bayezid II of the Islamic Ottoman Empire came to the rescue of these European descendents of Jews and sent ships for transport to and resettlement in Palestine where they lived peacefully with the indigenous Arabs and Jews.

During WW2, on many occasions the German Army would simply corral the local Police in isolation of their citizens in the towns/villages of occupied Europe. The German Officer would then inform the mayor that after a certain time period he would release the Police so if there are any Jews within the community.............................!
The Germans would return to invariably find the village/town squares littered with bodies but not a citizen in sight just a deafening silence and appearance of an abandoned village/town.
Posted by Westralis, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:39:45 AM
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..continued...

Even Australia’s PM Curtin played a part when in the early 1930’s he rejected a proposal to re-settle 70,000 European Jews in the Kimberleys of WA or in Tasmania, saying that he could never endorse the setting up of Asiatic colonies in Australia. Australia at the time had a discriminatory white’s only policy and in those days Palestine was still in Western Asia which Australia had deemed as unacceptable breeding stock.

The European Jews themselves played a pivotal part in their own demise when certain members of their hierarchy refused to pay the sum of US$1,000 per family demanded by the Germans for their safe evacuation to Spain and onwards to third countries. The Zionist leaders of the Jewish Agency replied to the offer “that only Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees and that the European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. Therefore no ransom/bounty will be paid.” The response to the German's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

Rabbinical Judaic official’s described the rejection of the German offer as a perfidy, a betrayal beyond description of the Jewish people.

There is a lot more on the part played by the Zionists in the betrayal of their own people during the Holocaust of WW2 including an attempted Nazis alliance, you can read it all here; http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaLiebermann.cfm

In 1936-9, the Palestinian Arabs attempted a nationalist revolt... David Ben-Gurion, eminently a realist, recognised its nature. In internal discussion, he noted that “in our political argument abroad, we minimise Arab opposition to us, but he urged, let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. The truth was that politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside.”
Posted by Westralis, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:47:46 AM
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