I suppose we could all surround mr Zentai and poke his eyes out or something.. maybe then those of us hungry for his 'blood' would be satisfied ? **

I don't think there is much to be gained on this one except for a deeeeep sense of pure revenge. He is supposed to have killed one person.
Heck.. Macchour Chaouk tried to blow the brains out of a bloke near his house.. shot him with a double barrelled 12 guage...he got a suspended sentence..!

Why should zentai suffer all this when he is "Innocent until proven guilty"? and it was oh so long ago and he is just about to kick the bucket anyway.

** sarcasm intended

...................the usual I see.

Zentai can go straight to hell. This abject nonsense of:

'out for blood/ revenge/ he JUST killed one person/ someone gets a suspended sentence-so HE is being harshly dealt with/ poor aged pensioner'.

Do what you like. To who you like. Get save haven in Australia. Be defended after your years of sanctuary as a frail 'victim' of revenge.

If this man did this,-his remaining years should be lived out in prison.
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I don't debate you BOZO, so don't bother with the usual long drawn out lecture. OK?
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"It was Baroness Thatcher who once articulated, "(that) if you have nothing else you have your principles."

Just like her friend Pinochet Mr Ariel?

Bad example.

There remain unanswered questions in the Zentai saga. Mr Zentai initially stated that he was prepared to return to Hungary to defend himself but then changed his mind. I note he had also changed his surname from Steiner to Zentai?

Dr. Efraim Zuroff writes of a letter passed on by Holocaust scholar Laszlo Karsai that was “was from Adam Balazs, an elderly Holocaust survivor living in Budapest, and it (the letter) arrived with about two dozen yellowing pages that clearly were copies of witness statements from 1948.

"According to Karsai’s cover letter, Adam Balazs had “a lot of first-hand documents proving that his brother Peter Balazs was killed by Karoly Zentai who lived in 1958 in Australia… now he has asked me to bring to you this documentation (he does not want to get money for this!). Please try to find Karoly Zentai, in case he is still alive, or at least inform Mr. Balazs what happened to him.”

The Hungarian government have been denied the right to question Mr Zentai and I trust they will see fit to visit Australia and proceed with the questioning considering the grave allegations against Mr Zentai.

I have read excerpts of ‘War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since 1945’ by Australian, Mark Aarons who claims that since 1947, when the first Nazi war criminals arrived in Australia, "successive governments have knowingly allowed hundreds of men responsible for the cruel imprisonment, torture, rape and mass execution of tens of thousands of innocent civilians to make Australia home". It appears that Labor and Liberal governments have allowed Nazi killers into Australia and protected them.”

There was also the establishment by Nazi émigrés in Australia of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN), a peak body of ultra-right migrant groups that senior Liberal politicians flocked to support.

Should time absolve Australian governments of the ignominy of collaborating with and accommodating Nazi war criminals? I don’t think so. Should time deny justice for the butchered victims of the Holocaust? I don't think so.

The Arrow Cross was a Hungarian nationalist political party (Nyilaskeresztes Párt), not an SS-like security force as stated in this article. For their entire 170-day rule http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyilaskeresztes_P%C3%A1rt_%E2%80%93_Hungarista_Mozgalom they rounded up and murdered Jews, frequently shooting them on the bank of the Danube and pushing them into the river. The Shoes on the Danube memorial is a simple and deeply moving installation on the Pest side of the river close to the Hungarian Parliament http://www.flickr.com/photos/woulfe/1265494700/

Without knowledge of the facts, I don’t intend to comment on Zentai’s innocence or guilt. If a case can be made that Zentai participated in the events of 7 November 1944, then he should be required to answer it. To me his age is irrelevant - I support the fact that we have no statute of limitations for war crimes.

However no charge has been brought against him. Federal Court Judge Neil McKerracher had the task of deciding whether Zentai should be extradited, not whether he was guilty. McKerracher was required to decide it on Australian law, not on the request of the Hungarian government, on the recommendation of the Wiesenthal Center, or in response to Péter Balázs’ father’s life-long campaign to track down all his son’s killers http://www.prherald.hu/cikk2.php?idc=20100102-094404 The law is there to protect all Australian citizens, and we have no business extraditing a fellow citizen who doesn’t yet have a court case to answer. (Don’t like your next-door neighbour? Have a mate in the New Zealand Police Force call him in for questioning.)

The facts of this case are very harrowing, and no matter how it is decided, Zentai will never be clear of the suspicion that he participated in the torture and murder of Péter Balázs. However in the end I’m with William Blackstone: “Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blackstone

Good man, Blackstone.

I wonder if he would have held the same view if he had walked through the concentration camps with the first group of allies?

Oh Ginxy.. your self righteousness overfloweth....

I don't care if you debate me... you don't debate anyone.

for the record though.. you appear to have missed an element of cynicism in my post.

My cynicism is because of this.

White man says "We have to start killing the boongs...yes.. we need to kill boong babies" Hate speech!

Black man (New Black Panther) says:

"You want freedom ? you will have to start KILLING crackers (whitey).. you will have to KILL some cracker babies..I hate every white man..every last one of them"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZ3-Lcbwmc

errrr.. 'nothing'.....

That speaker by the way is one of the 2 who stood outside a polling booth during an election..with uniforms and night sticks... again..charges..civil only....were dropped.

So..your passion for "justice" Ginxy is totally lost on me.. as I lost faith in the legal system decades ago.

“However no charge has been brought against him.”

I perceive that statement as a “muddying of the waters” Woulfe since I understood that the Hungarian authorities took legal action against Zentai after the war, with allegations that he'd captured Mr Balazs and assaulted him over a number of hours before dumping his body in the Danube River.

Hungary sought to arrest Zentai in 1948 but by then, he’d already fled Hungary and was living in the American zone of occupied Germany as alluded to by the author.

In March 2005, a Hungarian military tribunal issued an international warrant for the arrest of Zentai, the first step in the process which led to a request for his extradition from Australia. Shortly after, the then Australian attorney-general Philip Ruddock saw fit to issue a warrant for his arrest and determined he be extradited.

Australia has an extradition agreement with Hungary, however, the extradition clauses preventing extradition appear to be so numerous (at least to a layperson)I doubt its effectiveness.

It appears there is no longer a domestic legal framework in Australia (or the will) to conduct fair trials for alleged Nazi criminals and it’s evident that Mr Zentai is reluctant to clear his name by merely being questioned by the Hungarian authorities. He will remain a suspect, in the eyes of many.

“(Don’t like your next-door neighbour? Have a mate in the New Zealand Police Force call him in for questioning.)” Does your hyperbole serve a purpose Woulfe?

Protagoras says:

//It appears there is no longer a domestic legal framework in Australia (or the will) to conduct fair trials for alleged Nazi criminals//

Get real Proto... for goodness sake.. our legal system is overburdened with truckloads of local material let along something from a million years ago in a far far off place.

Let's look after OUR own legal back yard first eh? When we are coping and doing well there.. aaah 'then' we might be free to think further afield.

AGIR – “Our own legal back yard” includes Nazi war criminals who are Australian citizens!

Dumkopf!

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s71308.htm

It wasn’t only the Nazis that hated the Jews; just about all of Europe hated Jews and were key participants in the demise of Jews.

There is a very long history of Jewish vilification in Europe, in the UK for instance, King Edward 1st in 1274 on his return to England from the Crusades was dismayed to find that many of his subjects had defaulted on excessive mortgage repayments and were being dispossessed by Jewish money lenders and left in destitution. So King Edward issued The Statute of the Jewry which placed the Jews under a number of restrictions for the following 15 years, but most importantly were forbidden from money lending. But the Jews had continued money lending and making huge profits in secrecy, the King in anger then issued to all of the Jewish population the 1290 Edict of Expulsion from the UK.

From the UK they went to France and after 100 years of the same practices were expelled in 1391. From France they went to Austria and after 30 years were again expelled in 1421. From Austria they went to Spain and Portugal and after 70 years were again expelled in 1492. They were not welcome in all of Europe and with nowhere to go after their expulsion from Spain and Portugal their situation had become critical. Surprisingly or more likely dismissed by many Islamaphobic provocateurs, Emperor Bayezid II of the Islamic Ottoman Empire came to the rescue of these European descendents of Jews and sent ships for transport to and resettlement in Palestine where they lived peacefully with the indigenous Arabs and Jews.

During WW2, on many occasions the German Army would simply corral the local Police in isolation of their citizens in the towns/villages of occupied Europe. The German Officer would then inform the mayor that after a certain time period he would release the Police so if there are any Jews within the community.............................!
The Germans would return to invariably find the village/town squares littered with bodies but not a citizen in sight just a deafening silence and appearance of an abandoned village/town.

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Even Australia’s PM Curtin played a part when in the early 1930’s he rejected a proposal to re-settle 70,000 European Jews in the Kimberleys of WA or in Tasmania, saying that he could never endorse the setting up of Asiatic colonies in Australia. Australia at the time had a discriminatory white’s only policy and in those days Palestine was still in Western Asia which Australia had deemed as unacceptable breeding stock.

The European Jews themselves played a pivotal part in their own demise when certain members of their hierarchy refused to pay the sum of US$1,000 per family demanded by the Germans for their safe evacuation to Spain and onwards to third countries. The Zionist leaders of the Jewish Agency replied to the offer “that only Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees and that the European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. Therefore no ransom/bounty will be paid.” The response to the German's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

Rabbinical Judaic official’s described the rejection of the German offer as a perfidy, a betrayal beyond description of the Jewish people.

There is a lot more on the part played by the Zionists in the betrayal of their own people during the Holocaust of WW2 including an attempted Nazis alliance, you can read it all here; http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaLiebermann.cfm

In 1936-9, the Palestinian Arabs attempted a nationalist revolt... David Ben-Gurion, eminently a realist, recognised its nature. In internal discussion, he noted that “in our political argument abroad, we minimise Arab opposition to us, but he urged, let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. The truth was that politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside.”