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Public schools need ethics, not religious education : Comments
By Glen Coulton, published 2/7/2010Religion, especially Christianity, is not essential to the teaching and development of a sound ethical sense.
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Posted by Riz, Sunday, 4 July 2010 5:03:27 AM
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“Ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible” - Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen.
"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." - Jesus (Luke 14:26) "I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, ‘Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won’t need to strike again.’ But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn... So now the LORD says: “Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy." - Gawd (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT) “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.“ - Jesus (John 15:6 KJV) “You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert... now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist." Gawd – (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT) So it shall be at the end of the world; the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be a wailing and gnashing of teeth. - Jesus (Matthew 13:49-50) Posted by Firesnake, Sunday, 4 July 2010 8:10:42 AM
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To All,
Do you want to live under the curse or do you want to live under the blessing which is not a religious choice but an individual choice. God has provided for the wrath of God ( curse ) on the cross at Calvary. The price is paid in full. If we choose to accept we are no longer under the curse but live under the blessing. The only way we do not appropiate all the blessing is through lack of knowledge, for we have not for we ask not or we ask amiss. The curse is the consequence of rejection of Gods word or adding to or subtracting from it. The human understanding of the world and its origin is still incomplete with many unanswered questions and to say it is complete is pride. Which is the reason for the fall under the curse. Pride stops you from acknowledging God First and giving Him ALL the Glory. Would you give your only beloved son for a rotten sinner like me. God did and that is an indisputable historic fact But you have freewill to accept or reject that. Regards Richie 10 Posted by Richie 10, Sunday, 4 July 2010 8:46:40 AM
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The usual narrow cannards are trotted out as bare assertions, red-herrings, false dichotomies - issues around homosexuality (same sex marriage; HIV/AIDs; sodomy; bestiality; etc), or another religion (Islam), etc
""reason without faith misses out on rich fields of investigation" (Gordo Pollo, Friday, 2 July 2010 4:52:38 PM). How, Gordo? Can you provide an effective argument to support this? ""I would prefer healthy discussions based on fact rather than whether bestiality is right or wrong"" (runner, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:03:32 AM) How about the facts of whether there is evidence for the claims of relgious texts. How about the fact the claims of the Bible are not mirrored in contemporary non-Biblical documents from the 40 or so recognised historians of the time?? "" '[philosophical] discussion' has led to enough young people committing suicide as they listen to god deniers sprout their dogmas of us coming from slime."" (runner, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:03:32 AM) = Emotive, irrational, and unfounded. Religions' efforts to self-perpetuate, self-promote, and self-regulate (as seen with priest abuse scandals), are unethical, as are their efforts to regulate other dimensions of modern societies. Posted by McReal, Sunday, 4 July 2010 9:21:26 AM
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Riz,
According to the New York Times, homosexual males are 6.5 times as likely to be infected with Community-Associated(CA)-MRSA as non-homosexuals. Maybe you're thinking about Healthcare-Associated(HA)-MRSA? "A new, highly drug-resistant strain of the “flesh-eating” MRSA bacteria is being spread among gay men in San Francisco and Boston, researchers reported on Monday. In a study published online by the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, the bacteria seemed to be spread most easily through anal intercourse but also through casual skin-to-skin contact and touching contaminated surfaces. The authors warned that unless microbiology laboratories were able to identify the strain and doctors prescribed the proper antibiotic therapy, the infection could soon spread among other groups and become a wider threat. The new strain seems to have “spread rapidly” in gay populations in San Francisco and Boston, the researchers wrote, and “has the potential for rapid, nationwide dissemination” among gay men. The study was based on a review of medical records from outpatient clinics in San Francisco and Boston and nine medical centers in San Francisco. The Castro district in San Francisco has the highest number of gay residents in the country, according to the University of California, San Francisco. One in 588 residents is infected with the new multidrug-resistant MRSA strain, the study found. That compares with 1 in 3,800 people in San Francisco, according to statistical analyses based on ZIP codes." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/health/15infe.html Posted by Proxy, Sunday, 4 July 2010 11:07:32 AM
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Riz,
As you can see from the above report from the New York Times, it's not me "shoving my foot in my mouth" that's the problem. CA-MRSA is spread by men shoving their organs where they don't belong. (Annals of Internal Medicine..."the bacteria seemed to be spread most easily through anal intercourse") Maybe your own foot fell in your mouth when you were laughing so hard at me. Posted by Proxy, Sunday, 4 July 2010 11:19:02 AM
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It's golden staph, with a resistance to antibiotics. It is not a sexually transmitted disease, and has never been regarded as one. Your attempts at scaremongering smack of desperation and homophobia. Perhaps next time you might like to learn the science before you shove your foot in your mouth?