Ummm Dan,

You have been told several times before, take it on board.

Alternatively, Get over it. You are displaying the same disease as Runner, who is a deliberate parody of fundamentalism intended to make such even more ugly and intolerable than it is. Why are you so sucked in?

Even if you believe in a "god", it is apparant that such a "god" spent far more effort "faking" evolution than mere humans have spent writing so-called "scripture".

Evolution is important, and if it means "god" as interpreted by the shallow must take a back seat, so be it.

Other things have been important and the impotance of trad religion in dealing with these has meant that modernism has come to the fore.

Alternatively, think of all the fossils that haven't been faked, and the many more to come, compared to the ease of typing off a few more gospels. Hubbard saw the *easy* way.

Either evolution is true and we need to know, or "god" wants us to understand that evolution is true, and we need to know. Scripure be damned as the temporal fiction it is.

If it is *only* a total realignment of your world view to get this dan, I suggest you hurry, as the rest of us are not patient with such pathetic laziness. Catch up.

Principles: you are assuming Richie10 and other fundies actually read non-fiction. Not a good assumption.

Rusty

Glen, a few points of clarification:

Firstly, we probably are reading different authors.

I’d agree that most adhere to the theory of evolution as that is the standard view. What I was suggesting was that the number of Darwin doubting scientists was increasing rather than declining.

I’d agree that ID proponents do have trouble explaining some things. Who doesn’t? Any theory provokes problems which inspire further research.

By the way, I am surprised that you (or anyone) would call the design of the human body an ‘appalling mess’. I don’t think Leo de Vinci thought of it like that. Many of the design features we marvel at (e.g. the heart, which pumps gallons every hour for decades and rests in between beats), as well as some that we can only hope to imitate in our technology (e.g. the eye, with ultimate sensitivity down to one photon of light). Many of the functions, even major organs such as the brain, we cannot even explain, let alone suggest improvements. But if you can think of ways to improve this appalling mess, then please go ahead.

I often hear opinion about what the ‘mainstream church’ believes. Even defining the mainstream church might be a challenge. I spend quite a bit of my week hanging around people who consider themselves part of the ‘mainstream church’, and from my experience they’re fairly split on the issue of creation or Darwinian evolution. Some go one way, some the other, and some try to hold both in some kind of tension. For better or worse, church leaders have been slow to make hard and fast or prescriptive pronouncements.

Ummm Rusty,
What have I been told, several times before?

I do appreciate that we come at this issue from different viewpoints and view the evidence accordingly. (Fancy that, people having differing viewpoints on a website like this!)

The fossils are not fake. Most of them represent a body of evidence bringing testimony to the globe covering flood that destroyed all air breathing things at the time of Noah.

Dan S etc: << The fossils are not fake. Most of them represent a body of evidence bringing testimony to the globe covering flood that destroyed all air breathing things at the time of Noah. >>

That's just complete crap, Dan. That's what you've been told before, repeatedly.

The "lords prayer" is actually of Egyptian origin like most of the Christian religion, 10 commandments, taken from the Egyptian book of the dead, etc etc, it pre dates the invention of the Christian myths by thousands of years, just like the incantation "amen" the Christian cults force children to repeat after every prayer or "wish", plagiarised! Is this an example of what the religious cults don't want taught in ethics classes? Like the fact that the Noah,s ark myth was actually the result of a Tsunami created by the eruption of a volcano in the Aegean sea that burst the Bosporus straits flooded and created the black sea which had previously been a fresh water lake. All carbon dated and geologically tested and proved beyond any doubt in a doco by non other than Bob Ballard of Titanic fame.
Every doco I have ever seen shows all religion to be nothing more than myth, fraud and forgery and basically evil. Definitely not ethical, we should be showing children these doco,s instead of filling their heads with mythological nonsense!

@HFR Would you mind stating some primary evidence for your claims? For example the Lord's Prayer speaks about God as "Our Father" and asks for the coming of the (Davidic) kingdom. Where are such claims made in the Book of the Dead?? Or are you thinking about the (natural law based) 10 Commandments?

1. Myth is not always false. It can simply be a different way of conveying important truths about our identity.

2. That the documentaries you have seen pan religion says a lot about documentaries. One need only watch Frontline to wonder how informed we could really be from an episode of, say, 60 Minutes. The little I have seen from "The History Channel" makes me cringe.

@ Glen. What are your thoughts on metaphysics? Your Catechism for 6 Year Olds probably did not refer to God as the Ipsum Esse Subsistens but I think that is what the writers had in mind. The intuition is that God IS being. As creatures we participate in being. Time is co-terminous with created being.