“My first issue was to relate it back to Glen’s article on ethics, and to see why he felt to raise the issue of creation."
I was not aware that I'd raised the issue of creation except in a passing comment about how divided the various Christian churches are on the question of evolution. I'd agree that if there really were a god and if we knew how it wanted us to behave, then we would be smart to fall in line with its wishes, it being (presumably) much more powerful than us and likely to smite us if we annoyed it. That is, if it has the same kind of personality failings that we mere humans have. In the near certain absence of a god, I think we should just go with the “Do unto others” rule that served the ancient Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, Greeks and others so well for some many centuries that the chaps who managed to get their memoirs accepted into one or other of the collections that came to be known as the bible reprised it in such places as Matthew 7:12 (if I remember correctly). None of which stops certain people today from claiming that the rule was invented by Christ, which is a bit like crediting Gen X with the invention of sex.
Anyway, you wouldn’t want to place too much faith in what some religion insists is the word of god when the religions cannot even agree on whether intelligent design is intelligent or hog wash. All the major Christian churches, by the way, have moved or are inexorably moving, to the latter view. In this circumstance, it seems particularly short sighted of people to waste the one life they‘ll get trying to observe an ethic which is nothing more than some innocents’ wildly optimistic guesses about how their imaginary friend in the sky wants us to behave.
BTW, anyone who disputes the suggestion that if we had been created by a god, he/she/it must have been a lousy designer need only Google “human design flaws”.

Dear GlenC,
Try John 1-1,2,3,&14 instead of Mat 7-12 for it says Jesus created sex. The law or 10 commandments came through Moses. Ex-20. Grace and truth came through Jesus, John 1-17. If you break the law you are subject to the law. I personally prefer grace and truth because under it we have forgiveness and salvation. The law demands justice but under the new covenant we have mercy and grace for God paid the price on the cross Jn 3-16. It is finished Jn 17-4.5. Jn 19-30. And Jesus is now glorified Jn 12-22 to 32. If evolution was fact there should be an abundance of transitional fossil records available as we evolved from one phase to the next in our development and I am led to believe that all fossil records do not have transitional representation in the available evidence and to believe otherwise requires Great faith in the theory or belief of evolution.

Richie 10

A little advice.

Try presenting an argument using your own thoughts arranged in a logical fashion. No one, other than very religious people are remotely interested in your biblical references or sermonising.

All you are currently achieving is a very good argument as to why religious education should be banned from schools as it clearly stultifies original thought, reason and analysis as appears to have happened to you.

The point dan, is that absolutely no professional geologists, nor accredited university geology departments will give you anything other than a long laugh if you try to talk seriously about "flood geology".

All you establish by mentioning it is your desperate need to get out of the creationist isolation chamber and get an education. Till then, your views on "flood geology" are a clear touchstone as to the shallow and cockamamie nature of your "faith".

You believe anything "pastor" tells you, don't you?

You are in with the runners of this world, enjoy irrelevance.

Get that help.

Rusty

No, Rusty. You've mssed the point.

But you've claimed I need an education. Tell us about your academic qualifications and we'll all see if they compare favourably to mine.

Here's your chance.

Do they teach geology in the Maths Department of Universities? Perhaps they teach "Flood Geology" in the Philosophy Dept., they sure as hell don't teach it in the Science Faculty, for good reason.