The high court of Australia ruling, found that charlatanism is the price we pay for religious belief and if any religion was asked to prove their supernatural beliefs, all would fail.
All religious beliefs are Charlatanism and it's tax free and tax deductible charlatanism. If you want to stop religious charlatanisms, like the 18 billion dollars of taxes allocated to the multi national corporate religious indoctrination private cult schools, Vote for the secular party or the Greens because the major parties, Family first and others are funding the religious charlatans.

I take it, HFR, that your post was ironic. After all, you throw the word 'charlatanism' around and, in doing so, prove yourself to be a charlatan. After all, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I suspect that, if you were asked to prove that all religious beliefs are charlatanism (why the capital C?), you would fail.

I'm also interested to know which multinational corporate blah blah blah cult schools you're talking about. I work at a 'religious cult school' and it is by no means multinational. Yes, it is a subsidiary of the Catholic Church, but it is governed entirely locally. And, if it was to close down because the Greens decided not to fund it, that would require a lot more places - not subsidised by parents - at the already overcrowded state schools in the area. In turn, this would require either a tax hike (to fully fund these places) or further watering down of the pathetic funding allocated to the poor sods at those schools.

Yep. Voting Green is the way to go.

Well, CJ, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...

No, Gaiaism isn't *quite* an organised religion (yet), but it has become (or is fast becoming) an ersatz belief system for many in the environmental movement. Since the systematic casting-aside of Christianity through the 20th Century, the sheeple have needed something to fill the God-shaped hole in their heads that typically displaces Reason. As Penn & Teller so ably demonstrated, many in the environmental movement are just *followers* - they *need* to have faith, to be told what to think, especially in these decades of the Millenarian zeitgeist. They needed a crusade, and Al Gore handed them one.

(I use 'Gaia', btw, because the idea that a thinly disguised version of nature worship was displacing traditional religion first occurred to me when I used to listen to Tim Flannery wittering on about Gaia in the late 70s.)

I think our positions differ quite markedly: I think, by and large, humans (*especially* in developed nations) are actually doing pretty well with the environment. Much better, certainly, than we did even 50 years ago. Not everything is perfect, sure, but it's way better than it was.

'Groundless faith'? Nope, just looked at the evidence and realised that the Green movement is selling us the same guilt-laden crock the Catholics peddled so successfully for so long. 'We are all sinners! Go Green and be saved!'

We don't need to sort out the problems later, we're sorting them out now, and have been for decades. Don't believe me? Look at the evidence (from a source other than Greenpeace or FOE).

Still, you can lead a man to evidence, but you can't make him think.

"Still, you can lead a man to evidence, but you can't make him think." - Too true! I see it all the time on this website. I see the same old reactionaries spouting the same old discredited denialist rubbish and, to quote Curmudgeon "adding nothing to the debate".

By the way, I notice the Pope is being called the "Green" Pope and I understand that in some people's eyes he is infallible, so I expect some revisionism soon.

An interesting prospective my David in arms. But doesn't quite cut the grade. In times gone by the humans, is that we all are must define ourselves and be more equal in our doings for all the best for humanity and every living-creatures,.......... on this planet. If you or we give up this right, a poor species we will become.
] You white people aren't worth a fuc@k! You have had your time/4/? So the world as one must be right?

You white people are going to be extinct! Your time is now.

Think, or cant you do it?

TTm

James Lovelock's Gaia Hypothesis was an observation that the Earth's atmosphere is kept in a permanent state of disequilibrium by the interaction of living creatures.
He suggested that taken in toto, this effect (of living creatures affecting their environment) was AS IF all life acted as a single organism.
Once again, denialists confuse a falsifiable hypothesis with religious faith.