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By Joseph Gelfer, published 7/5/2010Every person on the planet is affected by masculinity in some shape or form.
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Posted by Jon J, Friday, 7 May 2010 5:50:38 PM
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In conspiracy logic it is those who are most invested in the conspiracy who most vehemently deny the existence of the conspiracy ;)
http://masculinityconspiracy.com Posted by Gelfer, Friday, 7 May 2010 6:03:07 PM
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One feminist got into trouble for stating, something like; 'that if women were in charge we'd still be living in grass huts.'
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4724 "While I was so busy hating men, I failed to notice that their lives were actually much more restricted than mine. And, We feminists used to believe Liberation meant "having it all." Presumably, like men. But somehow we forgot to notice that men didn't "have it all." Men have never "had it all." Men, throughout history, have had only what their culture permitted them to have". Posted by JamesH, Friday, 7 May 2010 6:16:32 PM
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This article is written with the specific and stated assumption that “there are certain people who are being oppressed (men and women alike, for various reasons)”. It is not framed as a men vs women debate; it is not solely about the oppression of women. It is specifically stated this is “about finding a different ground”, not necessarily sticking to what might be perceived as orthodox “feminist” ground.
Yet the comments here pull it back to a men vs women debate, and frame it by feminism (albeit as backlash). The Masculinity Conspiracy is functioning here with tragicomic efficiency. The conversation about the conspiracy is derailed before it can begin: plug us back in to the matrix immediately! It’s an extraordinary collective blind spot of those who are otherwise very insightful people. Posted by Gelfer, Friday, 7 May 2010 6:48:15 PM
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I must say you are in top form today, Houellebecq!
"There's not a single anti-male statement in this article" LMFAO, the term 'conspiracy' is a derogatory term, suggesting that men are doing some sort of 'cover up'. Secret men's business perhaps? Gee, I must have misplaced my directions to the meeting for the last 40 years. Isn't it interesting to see the Marxist roots of feminism emerge. Conspiracy is directly related to Gramsci's concept of "false consciousness", the notion that we just need to wake up and see the world as it 'really' is. Um, have you ever considered that *your* world view might be the false one, Gelfer? How did Marx's view work out at the end of the day? FYI, the concept of 'patriarchy' (or any other euphemism) doesn't scare men. The injustices committed in the name of defeating patriarchy are what scare us. Posted by Stev, Friday, 7 May 2010 7:02:29 PM
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There's only one answer: castrate all males at birth. Then we can all ponce around harmlessly and sing soprano.
I bet women still complain! Posted by David G, Friday, 7 May 2010 7:42:25 PM
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Kleenex all round -- then get over it.