Look I think this masculinity argument is pointless. Masculinity (whatever that actually is) is important for protecting your loved ones and being able to negotiate for their needs. While some may say we are not living in such potentially violent times anymore I would disagree. It really depends where you come from, and these academics in their cosy little universities miss the point entirely. I was in a situation just the other night where I had to make a masculine show to protect my mother and sister from some crazy people on the street. There are situations where this is necessary, and any idea of socially engineering the ability to make these stands out of boys leaves them vulnerable in a reality that does not match the imaginary world of the academics.

In any case, I'm all for equality in pay and opportunity but any attempt at social engineering should be discarded. We humans may be able to imagine ideal type arrangements, but any effort to impose these ideas on society reeks of totalitarianism.

Vanna, I read an article about how it was the pill that liberated women, not feminism.

It kind of made sense, in that as soon as a woman could control her fertility, it then provided her with spare time to embrace feminist ideals.

So the pill liberated women from their biology. Where once large families were the norm, many western countries now have an ageing population and negative natural population growth.

Good to see you've just started studying sociology, Fragmachine. I recommend you stick with it, at least until you get to the bit where you learn the difference between sex and gender.

Then you can enlighten vanna, or whatever other sockpuppet alias he's using by that time.

To Severin, thanks for the nice Hug, Sweetheart.

However, must say you'd only find me an ordinary guy, or bloke, especially when on military leave, too much out for a good time.

To Squeers, keep up the good work, mate. As you correctly imply,

Solutions with overmuch detail, certainly need cutting down, or still better, sorting out.

Cheers to you both -
from Bushbred, formerly of Buntine, a little farming town named after Dr Buntine, a well known WA surveyor.

Vanna:
<C J Morgan,
Is there any post you have ever made that did not contain name calling and abuse of other posters. About the only person you have never abused is yourself.>
I thought you might like some secondary testimony, vanna: CJ has never abused 'me'.
If he ever does, I shall say, "Squeers, bethink yourself, for CJ Morgan is shaking his wise head!"
CJ is a reliable barometer of good sense! (since he so far hasn't contradicted me) Or, at the very least, he makes a lot more sense than you do, mate!
I would hang on his curmudgeonly words if I was you, for he's no spendthrift, it's all kernel and very little pith!

Now, how about that tenner, CJ?

Formersnag; flattery will get you nowhere!

James H
The pill didn’t liberate women. In a natural state, an average woman had to be pregnant about 12-20 times in her life, to maintain the population of the tribe.

This was due to a high rate of infant mortality and miscarriage, and a relatively short life expectancy for most people.

If women in a tribe had reduced their fertility, the tribe would have become extinct within a short period of time, and an extinct tribe does not liberate women at all.

The division of labour between men and women that feminists and university academics so much despise and refer to as “patriarchy” or male “power and control”, has in fact been one of the most successful things that has occurred in nature.

The human species could have been wiped out on numerous occasions, but instead it has grown to cover most continents, and in the future there may be colonisation of a moon or colonies established on space stations.

Colonisation is a principle part of nature, but no species has been as successful at colonisation as the human species.

Much of this has been due to the division of labour between men and women that feminist and academics so much condem.

Never trust what is said by a feminist, and I think it is at the stage where someone cannot believe anything from a university academic.