Err, where's the sections about stoning women to death

you tell me!

Here is more from the Qur'an to persuade those with an open mind that the Qur'an cannot be described as a "contradictory and irrational text". The selection is inspired by TBC whose post raises the issue of gender equality:

4:124 And whoever does good deeds, whether male or female, and he (or she) is a believer — these will enter the Garden, and they will not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

33:35 Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the charitable men and the charitable women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and women who remember — Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

57:12 On that day thou wilt see the faithful men and the faithful women, their light gleaming before them and on their right hand. Good news for you this day! — Gardens wherein rivers flow, to abide therein! That is the grand achievement.

(from Muhammad Ali trans, 1930, http://aaiil.org/text/hq/trans/ma_list.shtml)

These are not simply words translated from an Arabic text, but from the recitation of millions tracing back to the Prophet. Have a listen to the qur'aan recited: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/. This is how we recited in prayer on the bus train, etc..

btw TBC there is no verse in the Qur'an that refers to stonning, let alone the stonning of women.

Grateful...it's bad enough having Xtians proselytising here without having to wade though your stuff too.

Now, what's all this about?

"33:35 Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the charitable men and the charitable women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and women who remember — Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward."

If all this believing and obeying and chastity is going on, what is there to be forgiven for?

Surely, if all this is worth doing, it's worth doing, and there should be no need for such a cheap thing as a 'reward' at the end of it, like a bounty hunter works for?

This hardly sounds 'new' or 'different'... or 'better' for that matter.

grateful,
If you discover a bag of prawns and they smell putrid, then there is a high probability that you shouldn’t eat them.

To open-minded non-believers, religion is like finding a bag of prawns. If they smell good, they're probably good to eat. If not, reject them! They will make you sick. Really S-I-C-K ! ! !

So far, in my life, I've only found ones that had a bad smell, and I have rejected them all, including yours, because yours has the worst smelling prawn of all.

Apostasy... forcing people (under the threat of death) to submit to your religious practices is repugnant to me.

I R-E-A-L-L-Y do take exception to that ! ! !

So I have discarded the whole bag of prawns because it smells putrid!

I strongly object to children being "required" to adopt their parents' religion because dangerous and archaic ideology like this needs to be left behind us.

My current "beef" is with un-controlled fundamentalist Christian activity in state schools, but I do realise that the next generation of Australians will have a fight on its hands, when Islam exerts its political will through Sharia law.

But that's another story!

Oh Secular Guy, you woo me with your tuneful word-smithing...a bag of prawns indeed.

And don't forget the 'something rotten in the state of Denmark'... probably the rollmops if they are faith based ones.

Sharia law, eh?

Now there's a bag of prawn heads, dead kippers, cut snakes and eye of newt all at once... one gets a taste of the Xtian version just reading the Jim Wallace stuff, not to mention the Rev. Dr. Nahlia's mob.

I watched Foreign Correspondent last night and was horrified to see the ute load of Sharia Police cruising in Aceh, chucking men out of the womens hairdressers..... (a bit like the Internet Police Conroy wants to bring in, complete with their Pell approved Opus Dei barbed wire undies).

But if he was pure in thought while he was there, and thought only of his god, surely he could come to no harm with the women there... so why the removal... (and did he leave with his hands still on?).