CJ Morgan,
I invited you to tell us how to react properly to the abuse of indigenous children but as per usual you're %100 accusation & nil solution. You're one of the most consistant accusers of us having done/doing wrong but when you're offered an opportunity to explain how we could do it right you go off course like a loose wagon wheel. It is one of the traits of a hypocrite do accuse others of doing wrong but being incapable of even one reply offering a solution. I think if there are any racists & hypocrites on OLO then you're well qualified. I am pulling my weight in communities, do you ? Before you accuse people much better than yourself of paternalism I'd suggest you look up the meaning of the word. Also look up blind hatred & ineptitude.

Hi blairbar - I seem to recall that we've been here before, haven't we? While I acknowledge that the removal of Indigenous children from Torres Strait Islander mothers was probably less widespread than on the mainland, there is no question that it occurred. Also, you ought to be a bit more honest in your quotation from the "Bringing Them Home" report, which states that

<< The Inquiry was told of the practice in the Torres Strait Islands of sending children born to Islander mothers and non-Islanders to mission dormitories on the Islands (such as at Thursday Island) or to mainland institutions up until the late 1970s. >>

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/social_justice/bth_report/report/ch5.html

Loudmouth/Joe Lane - the criteria for inclusion in the Stolen Generations is not that the removal was performed "illegally". Further, Cameron Raynes has answered your demand to provide specific cases of Indigenous people who were removed from their mothers.

I note that you peddle the Windschuttle line that Indigenous children were removed from their people in the same way that neglected non-Indigenous children were. I recommend that you and the other deniers listen to tha 'Awaye' program to which Paul Bamford kindly provides a link. On it, you can hear Aboriginal members of the Stolen Generations recounting their own experiences that negate your claim, not to mention the odious Windschuttle squirming and dissembling when confronted by one of his disciplinary betters.

individual - I gather you are some kind of tradesman who sucks off the the teat of the public purse, while slagging off at the Indigenous people whose communities you fly in and out of. I agree that conditions in many communities are appalling, but they are the direct result of the various racist and misguided policies and practices of State governments and churches - including those that produced the 'Stolen Generations'.

You berate me for not having solutions, but what are yours? How many Aboriginal apprentices have you trained, for example?

Dear Joe,

I feel a bit strange referring to you as
"Loudmouth," because to me that term has
derogatory connotations. Anyway, I appreciate
your response.

What I find somewhat disturbing on this thread
is that the discussion stoops down to verbal
abuse. This to me indicates intellectual bankruptcy,
and there's no excuse for it. Attack the argument,
not the arguer. And as I wrote in a previous post -
it is now possible to explore the past by means of a large
number of sources - be they books, articles, films, novels,
and so on. We can now know a great deal about the history
of indigenous - settler relations. All that's required is
for interested people to do their own research on the
topic.

One would hope that in this day and age tolerance and
understanding have broadened out and that bigotry is in
retreat. Threads like this one are so very important -
but only if there isn't a breakdown in communication.

Ngarmada,

You ask me to explain myself, but you couldn't wait, could you, you poor, deluded fool. You had to give your own ridiculous 'explantion' -one that fits in with your own warped and pathetic way of protecting your delusions about yourself. You are not even original: all the ignoramuses call people they don't agree with racists.

To be called 'racist' by you is a compliment. You are a bully and a yobbo who needs a gang to hide behind.

Keep on raving. The rest of us have spent more than enough time on your madness. You are too pathetic to waste further time on.

""Also, you ought to be a bit more honest in your quotation from the "Bringing Them Home" report, which states that:
1."The Inquiry was told of the practice in the Torres Strait Islands of sending children born to Islander mothers and non-Islanders to mission dormitories on the Islands (such as at Thursday Island) or to mainland institutions up until the late 1970s.""
I missed that statement CJ. There are now two references about the removal of Torres Strait children in the report. But that's it: no stories, no case studies. And the two statements are not even consistent.
2."Until the 1970s church representatives in the Torres Strait Islands would notify the Department of Native Affairs of pregnancies and parentage and the Department would then arrange for girls to be placed in the Catholic Convent dormitory on Thursday Island while boys were often adopted out to Islander families." No mention of mainland institutions here and in Statement 1 no mention of adopting boys out to Islander families.
Your statement that Torres Strait Islander children were removed
is a statement of belief. You can offer no evidence other than two unsupported, unreferenced submissions to the Inquiry.
Perhaps a member of the Torres Strait Islander stolen generation may soon emerge but if no scholarship is awarded to a Torres Strait Islander I guess that doesn't prove anything either!
"To support these leaders I can announce today that the Australian Government is investing $585,000 in the leadership skills of the Stolen Generations to support them as positive role models in the community.
As part of this package the Government will deliver 10 scholarships totalling $81,000, for members of the Stolen Generations to undertake a Certificate II in Indigenous Leadership at the Australian Indigenous Leadership Centre."
http://www.jennymacklin.fahcsia.gov.au/internet/jennymacklin.nsf/content/apology_12feb2010.htm

CJ Morgan,
I have trained three tradesmen & many are gaining practical skills by working with me. As for sucking off the public purse I ask you to please explain how being on a standard wage is sucking off the public purse. It certainly sounds more like you're one of those doing it. And, where's your recommendation for doing the right thing when indigenous children are abused ? We're all waiting for your guidance. Sorry about putting two questions to you at once when you clearly find it very difficult to answer one.