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Windschuttle and the Stolen Generations : Comments

By Cameron Raynes, published 19/3/2010

The SA State Children’s Council's 'unequivocal statement' clearly shows its intention was to 'put an end to Aboriginality'.

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I agree Grandma, let's all "Harden up and stop the fairy tales", starting with "stolen generations" from the Torres Strait.
Thank you for The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Women's taskforce on violence Report (Qld, 2000). I searched in vain for any stories about "stolen generations" from the Torres Strait and their incarceration and treatment but alas there were none. But I did find this:
"While colonisation affected both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to varying degrees, the impact has been borne more severely by Aboriginal people. Due to the geographical location of the Torres Strait, colonisation did not interfere with the traditional songs, dances, languages and cultures of the Torres Strait Islander people to the same extent as it did for Aboriginal people. For Aboriginal people, the consequences of colonisation have been severe."
If you come across any reports, articles, books dealing with the "stolen generation(s)" of Torres Strait Islanders I would appreciate such information....but I won't be holding my breath waiting.
Posted by blairbar, Sunday, 21 March 2010 7:08:15 PM
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Now c’mon Leigh, we may observe your intellectual capacity for following diverse dialogue is challenging for you, however the difficulty for complainants of such claims, securing legal redress, is compounded by factors not only of;

[1] the passing of time, but also,

[2] the fact such intent and practice is patently identified by the record, as intrinsically and insidiously, intensively corrupt to the highest levels of authority, and,

[3] that acceptance for tolerance of the record of this barbarity still, and lack of will to acknowledge it, that,

[4] is clearly demonstrated by the representation of the prolific number of racists alike you, whom relentlessly attempt to defend the indefensible on OLO, readily observed further,

[5] with total ignorance of the qualified referrals Cameron R. continues to demonstrate in his comments on this thread.

Windschuttle by any credible, and all current intellectual benchmarks, is accurately identified a pseudo intellectual vandal.

Oh…and, people in glass houses… Try to keep up Leigh.

Of course I agree with Aka, what does rpg stand for, rocket propelled grenade or racist propagandist? Lets see, SA, WA, Qld, Tas, and the Federal Govt white Australia policy. Ah yes, ‘an unfortunate confluence of events?’ Not likely.

It is interesting as constant, that repeatedly, academic and intellectual authority appears in support of the side of the debate against racist bigotry. It is observed consistent for there is no such mindset that may be observed existent on such latter divide, for it is the antithesis of the definition of those authoritative terms. I know that will hurt your heads blairbar and Leigh.
Posted by Ngarmada, Sunday, 21 March 2010 7:11:33 PM
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I can't sign off tonight without saying how touching it is to see so many people on this forum concerned about the popularity (or apparent lack of it) of my published work. I can let you know that Wakefield Press have agreed to publish my collection of short stories, 'The Dress and other stories', later this year. They have also agreed to publish my history of the ALRM next year, followed by part 2 of The Last Protector. That will be four books in three years. So, please, please, please, redirect your sympathies and good thoughts to some other struggling writer; someone who will appreciate it. Bless you all.
Cameron Raynes
Posted by Cameron R, Sunday, 21 March 2010 7:20:36 PM
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Consistent of the perverse racist deceit obvious in these posts, is the continued attempts to relentlessly probe the substantially solid evidence demonstrated in articles such as this on OLO, when the finding of the debate is observed comprehensively resolved. It demonstrates the irrational and insidious attitude of those bigots attempting to purport such nonsense, including Loudmouth [aka Joe], Leigh, blairbar, Jon J, the identified female stalker ozzie, that by subtly distorting the comments and information in posts, they will prevail in such deceit and duplicity.

Fat chance, reasonable and fair minded people, and accredited academics, will not be duped by this moronic spin, and in fact, the responses I am aware of from a number of international observers to this thread currently, are horrified with the odious gall demonstrated by such attempts by these posters.

And the observers I refer to are not those these bigots would describe as ‘tree hugging, black armband, lefties.’ So thank you disturbed people, for reconfirming that observation in this country, that has been internationally suspected for many years now. My only consolation is that perverse would be smart arses alike you inevitably receive their comeuppannce.
Posted by Ngarmada, Sunday, 21 March 2010 8:00:46 PM
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"No, I'm not saying that history is a science, simply that in trying to understand 'what happened', the use of scientific techniques, of finding and understanding what might pass as evidence or data, of not relying on hearsay or magic or obviously biased accounts but more on written records preferably from more than one source, is a superior approach to relying on memory or second-hand or biased interpretations."

OK Loudmouth, so now we know that you understand neither history nor science - like Windschuttle who, in his book "the killing of history" couldn't even get the chronology of the heliocentric theory of the solar system right. When it comes to history, here's what you get wrong:

(1) You assume that oral history [history that ain't written down, but passed on by word of mouth) is inherently unreliable;

(2) That written records are always trustworthy (that would make Froissart's "Chronicles" a reliable record of the Hundred Years War, which they definitely ain't).

The argument Windschuttle made on the Awaye program was that on the basis of the records he had examined, there were no stolen children in NSW. His response when Peter Read pointed out that he had examined only 800 or so records that were publicly available - not the 20,000 odd that Read had consulted which have since been withdrawn from public access due to pruivacy issues - was to deny that those records exist. Not, you should note, to make the gracious concession that maybe he hadn't seen <em>all</em> the evidence. Equipped (or did you mean acquitted?) himself well my arse.
Posted by Paul Bamford, Sunday, 21 March 2010 9:56:17 PM
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I always felt that Windschuttle had a slight whiff of David Irving about him and is more interested in reinterpreting history than reporting it.

Like most conservatives he is reluctant to admit that any system we have created is capable of imperfection.

I suppose every one of those English immigrant children who were apologised to recently also had no case to argue and were in fact liberated from their plight.
Posted by wobbles, Sunday, 21 March 2010 10:57:55 PM
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