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Atheistic and Christian faiths - a contest of delusions? : Comments

By Rowan Forster, published 15/3/2010

It's legitimate to ask what and where are the atheistic equivalents of Christian welfare agencies.

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Just after I posted my previous comment, I read a very relevant newspaper article. While I was correct in saying that a non-existent organisation of all atheists could not set up an atheist charity, I was wrong in believing that such charities, set up by individual atheists do not exist. The article said:

"Singer also pointed out that three of the four great philanthropists of the 20th century were professed atheists: Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Andrew Carnegie."

Thus, the three atheist charities that the article so proudly believed would never be found
Posted by Dick Harfield, Monday, 15 March 2010 2:48:22 PM
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Glad to learn that I have faith in a-homeopathy, a-astrology, a-faryism and atheism.
Seriously, Rowan, man, nobody can disprove than ANYTHING does not exists. It’s a non-argument. I can give you a whole list of make-belief characters and challenge you to disprove them.

I like the saying that extra-ordinary claims request extra-ordinary evidence. If I tell you that I bought a new pair of shoes you might not even require evidence and just take my word for it. If I tell you that I have a dragon in my backyard, you might ask for pictures, you might want to visit my place to see it for yourself. If I claim that I have an invisible dragon in my backyard that reveals itself under a full moon but only to me and others who have complete faith in him you would require a significant amount of evidence.

Faith is delusion. Lol- are you saying that sanity is the new mental illness?

OK man, you admit that there are lots of charities that are secular.

Atheists don’t normally brag about being charitable. Atheists don’t do charity in the name of atheism! Bill Gate is not charitable in the name of agnosticism or atheism, he just gets done what he thinks is important, without having to draw attention to his non-existent religious views.

Atheists just donate, they just help, but they don’t necessarily form a group for the sake of recognition.

What about the government? The government, with all the tax-payers' money, have large social and health networks plus top up the religious organisations by giving financial support and tax exempts.

And hey man, I dare you to come up with an atheist organisation that has sexually abused children, brain-washed vulnerable people, and subjugated women. Good luck!
Posted by Celivia, Monday, 15 March 2010 2:50:00 PM
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PS
Hey Rowan, man, I noticed that you missed to mention 'MOTHER' Theresa.
Why is that?
Posted by Celivia, Monday, 15 March 2010 2:52:44 PM
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Trav,

"To suggest that all of these people are so deluded that they’d openly proclaim belief in something which is as silly as the tooth fairy"

Actually they have. An all powerfull god that does nothing but trivial "miracles" whilst letting really terrible things happen to millions of innocents, smacks of someone making up the rules as they go along.

"You haven’t fully thought through the reasons why intelligent theists may believe."

Actually theists like athiests are people with fears and weaknesses. The belief in god and an afterlife makes the world just a little less scary. The assumption that intelligent people don't need a crutch, or do stupid things motivated by passion or fear is naive.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 15 March 2010 3:02:26 PM
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Grey
The 'super-majority' are no more agreed on the existence of God than the atheists are. In case you haven't noticed, they've got violent differences of opinion on it, the biggest splinters of which are no bigger than the entire body of atheists.

The theists seem to be better evidence of mutated monkey brains not selected for apprehending truth, than they are for the existence of an all-good, all-knowing, all-capable Being.
Posted by Peter Hume, Monday, 15 March 2010 3:12:47 PM
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Many people do charity to ease guilty consciences and to convince themselves that they are righteous because deep down they know they are not. It is astounding how many rock stars, football stars, fallen politicians suddenly find an 'environmental' conscience and start some foundation. One day they will wake up to the fact that no amount of 'good works' will erase a guilty conscience or soften a hard heart. Many of these sports and rock stars think nothing of pooping on their families through unfaithfulness while parading as saviours to the rest of the world. Unfortunately many religous people do the same. Only Christ Himself can change a man's corrupt nature which automatically leads to generosity and good works. Atheism and feeding the poor is really a contradiction. Atheist will tell you that they believe in the survival of the fittest and then tell you that the fittest must stop burning fossil fuels in order to save the weakest. This is just one of their many contradictions despite claiming to be rational.
Posted by runner, Monday, 15 March 2010 3:15:46 PM
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