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Why I’m having an abortion : Comments

By Angie Jackson, published 2/3/2010

Abortion doesn’t have to be justified and it doesn’t have to fit your neighbour’s or co-worker’s opinions of a 'good enough reason'.

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JP,

Nope, you mentioned Hitler.

By any definition, you lose the debate.

'your position does not allow for moral improvement.'

I thought the bible's morals never changed either.

Also, you have to believe in the majority interpretation of the bible. So, you just have a different majority setting your morals.
Posted by Houellebecq, Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:45:08 PM
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JP - I'm not sure I agree with Nazi Germany as an example of society agreeing on what is right or wrong. It was a minority using force to discourage disagreement. Not quite the same thing. Germans supported Hitler as their leader prior to WWII, but it's a big step from there to say they all agreed with the Holocaust - it wasn't exactly an election promise. In hindsight it may seem like it was predictable, but at the time?

Still this doesn't seem to answer your original question which is how do we pull into line those who disagree (the rapist or paedophile) with whatever moral code is employed by society, even if a set of absolute morals were available to us? And how does 'the majority says these are the absolute morals we should all follow so that's what we have to follow' differ from 'what is moral is determined by what the majority of people hold to be moral'? Unless we get 100% agreement on the source of the absolute morals of course - not likely to happen I'm afraid when not even the major world religions agree completely.
Posted by Orange Donkey, Thursday, 4 March 2010 4:58:59 PM
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Just a couple of biblical quotes;

Psalm 139:13
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Ecclesiastes 11:5

5 As you do not know the path of the wind,
or how the body is formed in a mother's womb,
so you cannot understand the work of God,
the Maker of all things.

Job 31:15

15 Did not he who made me in the womb make them?
Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?

Psalm 22:10

10 From birth I was cast upon you;
from my mother's womb you have been my God.

It is clear that the Bible attributes a measure of humanity and value to a foetus. There is no specific reference to induced abortion for the same reason that there are no injunctures against driving against teh speed limit, the misuse of amphetamines (ah, so that means the bible thinks that 'speed' is okay? I think not), or against internet pornography.

That is, when the Bible was being written those technologies did not exist, but there are references to forms of behavior that are parrallel to all the above.

One last quote: Exodus 21:22

22 If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges.
Posted by Dougthebear, Thursday, 4 March 2010 7:04:39 PM
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Doug did you read the article from the link I posted?

You could start with the follow on to Exodus 21:22 which put's the 22 in a very different light.

23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

The loss of the fetus is not counted as serious injury.

Have a read through the article for the link I posted, given your previously stated acceptance of choice I don't think that you will find it offensive (or overly confronting). As far as I can tell it is written by a christian who takes the bible seriously.

I know from my time in the church the issue was put in very clear terms against abortion leaving no question on the topic. I suspect that a lot of christian's never hear from their teachers the other side of the issue.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleforbids.htm

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 4 March 2010 7:25:54 PM
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This International Womens Day, a Queensland woman is still awaiting trial from charges in Dec.2008 for having an illegal abortion, and her boyfriend, assisting her. They weren't ready yet.
Well done, for showing a woman can make a personal rational decision about an unplanned pregnancy and sharing it, because with abortions still criminal in this country, women need to be courageous like you, and say this is my body, my life.

Abortion: An intensely personal decision made by a politician and his colleagues(Qld 2010)

I had an abortion after deeply knowing two children were just right, and it too, was the best decision I made. Cheers!
Posted by juliepm, Friday, 5 March 2010 8:36:21 AM
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Juliepm

Thanks for getting this topic back on track after the sanctimonious claptrap from people who will never ever face a pregnancy, wanted or unwanted.

What you say about the Qld case is true - a woman decides to use legal abortifacient is arrested, along with her partner. One step forward two steps back it seems.
Posted by Severin, Friday, 5 March 2010 10:16:12 AM
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