As the document referred to by Forrest Gump states, "... The Department of the Army will state that it won't publish a stand-alone financial statement for 2001 because of 'the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.'" (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091001defensebudget#a091001defensebudget)

Interesting observations, Forrest, except I don't think it was likely that the financial meltdown was contrived.

It was a predictable consequence of the deregulation of the US financial but I think it unlikely that anyone would have been able to pull strings sufficiently in order to make the meltdown happen when it did, that is, unless you can point to an article that could show how that might have happened.

Paul.L "I've just shown you up, AGAIN. I've caught you out in a MASSIVE mistake, ..."

What? believe the BBC and expecting that Seffen's paper was published in 2007?

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Anyhow, I also note that Paul.L has again made use of the lie that Osama bin Laden confessed to the crime of 9/11 ("the claims of responsibility by Osama and Al Qaeda.") when, in fact as I pointed out at least twice, he denied responsibility and even the FBI doesn't believe it has sufficient evidence to charge him as his wanted poster (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm) confirms.

For more hilarious details about the 'hunt' for Osama bin Laden read:

"Would the Real Osama Please stand/Where in the world is bin Laden" at:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/11/would-real-osama-please-standwhere-in.html

... and:

"Meet the fake Laden" at http://www.911lies.org/fake_bin_laden.html

Dagget whines >> "What? believe the BBC and expecting that Seffen's paper was published in 2007?"

Your mistake wasn't not being able to find the article. Your mistake was insisting it didn't exist and suggesting I was misleading people and wasting others time.In actual fact it was YOU who was the time waster, you who was misleading people.

Your problem all along has been that you don't go check out the sources for yourself. You just went to the idiot "winter patriot"s website where you saw this claim, and you repeated it without looking into it yourself. For some reason you think that these idiots won't lie to you even though I have shown you at least 1 indisputable example of them doing so.

Osama didn't confess? Really?
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1550477.cms

I suppose he didn't organize the attacks on the American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?

I know, maybe they were training runs paid for using the secret slush funds the CIA have from the missing trillions from the defence department which they tried to cover up using the recent bogus financial crisis.

The Bali bombers weren't really shot either, they were body doubles and the real criminals were flown by helicopter to their new home with big foot the sasquatch, who they'll be training as a terrorist. " Silence, I KILLLL YOUUUUU!!"

I suppose I should find it encouraging that you don't immediately accept 'Run Forrest Run's bizzare and ridiculous flights of fancy. You haven't yet sailed off the edge of our square earth.

Timeline for a Financial Meltdown?

Pre 2000. US financial sector is progressively deregulated. Electronic voting is introduced. Defense funds commence being unlawfully diverted into various bank and non-bank accounts.

Nov 2000. US Presidential election. Electronic voting produces the results for which it was designed.

Sep 2001. Attempted coup in USA. Pentagon targetted in audit section. Records destroyed. Many key audit staff killed. Claim that up to three trillion dollars is not accounted for in defense expenditures. Islamic terrorists blamed for the part of the attempted coup that succeeded. National attention diverted to a War against Terrorism. US Defense spending boosted. Announcement that US Army would not be able to produce expenditure statement for 2001 due to loss of key staff in strike against Pentagon. Up to three trillion dollars salted away throughout the US financial sector, perhaps even world-wide.

2001. US enters into constitutional twilight. US and allies militarily involved in Afghanistan. Turkmenistan - Pakistan oil and gas pipeline project proceeds.

2003. Iraq attacked and occupied. Ministry of Oil preserved undamaged by shock and awe. Military industrial sector enjoys boom times. More funds get diverted?

Nov 2004. US Presidential election. Unauditable electronic voting does its job again.

2007. Peak oil talked up with a vengeance. Crude oil prices hit record high. Predictable consequences of deregulation of the financial sector start to emerge. Sub-prime market crisis.

2008. Withdrawal of salted-away diverted funds produces progressive liquidity problems for financial sector?

Oct 2008. Accelerated withdrawal of remaining diverted funds produces a full-blown financial crisis? Share prices collapse. Diverted funds used in part to buy up selected shares at fire sale prices? World-wide self-funded retirees and superannuation funds make disastrous losses. Embezzlers of US defense funding acquire select productive assets at bargain basement prices, and stand to make huge financial gains, either individually, or as an interest group? US taxpayers restore liquidity to financial sector.

Nov 2008. US Presidential election. Record voter turnout. Barak Obama becomes President-elect. Will he make it alive to his inauguration in January?

Is this what happened?

At least the "idiot" on the Winter Patriot web site, was pepared to make readily available, the document that Paul.L claims shoots down the case of the 9/11 Truth Movement in flames, something, neither Paul.L, himself, nor the BBC were willing or able to do.

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Paul.L wrote, "I suppose he didn't organize the attacks on the American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?"

Why would I claim that, Paul.L?

I showed you the FBI wanted posted poster at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm which does include those charges, but no charges relating to the September 11 attacks.

Clearly, even the FBI understands, even if you don't, that the 'confession' tape, conveniently timed to help George W Bush get re-elected in 2004, was probably a fake.

Also, see "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'" at http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

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Anyhow if Paul.L is intent to continue to clutter up the discussion with posts purportedly exposing daggett's dishonesty and proclaiming his victory, I can't really stop him, can I?

Clearly Paul.L won't be able to stop anyone who is determined to wade through this from learning the truth, but, no doubt, a good many others, with less perseverance, will go away confused.

To help people get more easily to the bottom of this I intend to write my own guide to this discussion. In the article intend to deconstruct the attempts by others to prevent them from understanding the issues.

It is not yet finished, but in case the discussion is closed prematurely and I don't get another chance to post a link, the beginning of the article is now at http://candobetter.org/node/905

Dagget,

Such a drama queen.

You say >> At least the "idiot" on the Winter Patriot web site, was pepared to make readily available, the document that Paul.L claims shoots down the case of the 9/11 Truth Movement in flames”

I never said anything like that.

My purpose in this debate has been to show you that the 9/11 truthers are liars or at best seriously misguided. I can’t prove what actually happened, we all saw it. So what I set out to do was show you that the 9/11 truthers case was completely flawed.

You say >> “Anyhow if Paul.L is intent to continue to clutter up the discussion with posts purportedly exposing daggett's dishonesty and proclaiming his victory, I can't really stop him, can I?”

What? You accuse me of time wasting and misleading people; and all along it was actually you, and you’re now whining about it? Are you kidding?

You say >> “Clearly Paul.L won't be able to stop anyone who is determined to wade through this from learning the truth, but, no doubt, a good many others, with less perseverance, will go away confused.”

Couple of issues here. You always imagine there are masses of people who are waiting on your every post. I suppose anyone with a vanity blog, like yourself, needs to believe other people are listening.

But this debate has been a perfect place for someone beginning to look into the “9/11 truth” farce. You’ve put your best arguments, I’ve put mine, well let them decide.

So you go ahead and publish your fairy tales on your own, forget about inconvenient truths which render your theories farcical.

You aren’t interested in debate are you dagget, you’re another of the pathetic types who just wants to be patted on the head by those with similar views.

By the way, what actually would convince you that the collapses occurred as per the official story?