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Mandatory vaccinations : Comments

By Helen Lobato, published 23/12/2008

Mandatory vaccinations for health workers are likely to lead to a greater shortage of nurses.

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What worries me most about this article and thread is that there are apparently nurses - and at least one doctor - working in the Australian health system who subscribe to the anti-vaccination hysteria promoted by various frootloop websites. That some health professionals reject the overwhelming public health benefits of vaccination programs in favour of unproven folk theories about their supposed dangers is an indication to me that they are unsuitable to be employed in a biomedical capacity.

While of course individuals have every right to believe whatever rot they wish, and to accept or reject public health intitiatives such as vaccination, it seems to me that those who act against their biomedical education and training are also rejecting the objective professionalism that is required of practitioners in a contemporary public health system. We need more doctors and nurses, but not those who reject biomedicine in favour of mumbo-jumbo.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 29 December 2008 8:27:14 AM
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Don't be worried that there has never been a study done on the cumulative effect of so many vaccines with toxic ingredients.

The US CDC, which is accountable to no one and where Pharma payola is ever present, says vaccines are safe.

True, the former head of the US National Institutes of Health, Dr. Bernadine Healy challenges the credibility of the CDC and admonished officials for refusing to investigate a susceptible subgroup of children who unable to eliminate the toxins in vaccines. This admission that there hasn't been enough research and that epidemiological studies are not proof is a major step toward public recognition about what's happened to our children.

Dr. Healy said that officials have been too quick to dismiss a link between vaccines and autism without ever studying the group that got sick. There never have been studies done on the kids that developed symptoms of autism within a few weeks of being vaccinated. She furthermore pointed out that the Institute of Medicine which produced the cumulative study on vaccines and autism in 2004 refused to 'pursue susceptibility groups.' In other words, they didn't want to find any evidence that linked vaccines to autism. She left us with the haunting statement: 'The question has not been answered.'

CBS News Exclusive: Former Head Of NIH Says Government Too Quick To Dismiss Possible Link
SEE VIDEO http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/12/cbsnews_investigates/main4086809.shtml

I would say she has been visiting too many antivaccine websites.

And so what if the mercury-based vaccine preservative thimerosal is in more than the flu vaccine. This July story from ABC-7 WXYZ-TV Detroit: Some Vaccines Still Contain Mercury, shows that children are still exposed to mercury in their shots. http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/investigators/story.aspx?content_id=599da2da-f75e-4844-952e-1241f33b57fd

"The truth is there's still as much as ever in 11 vaccines including most flu vaccines injected into pregnant women and kids, and some of them younger than 9 get two doses in a season. And also high levels of mercury from Thimerosal in tetanus shots and the boosters routinely injected into 11-year-olds and also in some meningitis and diphtheria-tetanus formulas, too.

But I forgot... this is all "mumbo-jumbo."
Posted by Dr. Stoller, Monday, 29 December 2008 10:19:55 AM
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Let this video by an expert refresh your memory, Stoller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQB8decrxE&feature=channel_page

"In this episode I address the question "is autism is caused by vaccination" and look at the scientific evidence that says "yes" and "no". I refer to a series of papers in this video - the links for these papers can be found below.

For the sake of simplicity I have redrawn all graphs so that they are easily understood. I have made every effort to keep them as accurate as possible.

Wakefield Paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

Wakefield Retraction:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

Fombonne Paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

Japan MMR Paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

Autism gene found in Amish Paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

Also, for those of you who believe that the Amish, and other anabaptist sects (all of whom avoid vaccination), I'd like for you to explain why it is that people who supposedly don't get autism have an autism support network:
http://www.adnetonline.org/Informatio...

Video's in this series:
Part I: How the immune response and vaccines work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_T0nJ...

Search engines:
Pubmed:
http://www.pubmed.gov

Google Scholar:
http://scholar.google.com "
Posted by Celivia, Monday, 29 December 2008 10:46:48 AM
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Dr. Stoller, you obviously know what you are talking about. I write for Autism File Magazine (out of the U.K.) and am the editor of their website. I also have a raio show (webcast) on autism one radio (www.autismone.org/radio) called Linderman Live. I have covered this NSW story on my show. The general public has no idea the damage that is being done via vaccines and this crap about vaccines being responsable for the irradication of disease is one huge lie. I would love for you to listen to my show and tell me what you think...it's rather hard hitting and "in your face" but I don't hold back when it comes to telling the truth. My son is autistic and was vaccine injured at 20 months of age.
If every post like yours educates one more soul, you're doing your part!
Posted by C L Sr, Monday, 29 December 2008 1:47:36 PM
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Gee Celivia – the prompts to the information you provided appear rather complex and time-consuming for this semi-literate computer operator. Nevertheless, I inadvertently came across the following link which attracted my attention:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?highlight=thiomersal&rid=hstat6.section.2094

I doubt whether anyone is lobbying to ban herd immunisation, however, that’s easily said by one who has not been stricken by a debilitating reaction to vaccines.

My cautious approach to any government advice is historic. Let’s not forget that the anaesthetic, chloroform, which induces liver and kidney tumours, was in use for well over a century before it was banned. Presently prescription drugs are killing thousands of people around the planet yet they are still prescribed and manufacturers again, remain in denial. So shall we remain indifferent to these avoidable tragedies – merely collateral damage for the greater good?

Some 67% of antibiotics in Australia are fed to animals with impunity, animals which we then consume. Antibiotic resistant bacterial strains are an alarming legacy and one which is of great concern to health professionals around the world. Where are our health departments and those with vested interests? Why is it only we who are heeding the overwhelming evidence?

The teratogen, thalidomide left some 10,000 victims in Africa and Europe, armless and/or legless, before that drug too was banned though it appears it’s back doing good for other diseases (hopefully!) Victims of thalidomide have also given birth to equally afflicted offspring.

We have more recently – Vioxx, another global killer and again, manufactured by the drug company in question – Merck, who is reported to have profited some $2.5 billion from the sales of Vioxx.

http://www.mynippon.com/vioxx/2005/01/vioxx-death-estimate-revised-upwards.html

Many doctors do not have their own children vaccinated - (secret!) Why?

Autism is now a public health crisis but there are no arms or legs missing to incite a citizens’ revolt - only an invisible brain!

Why does austism affect boys four times more than girls?

Several vaccines are now thimerosal-free. What were the reasons for removing mercury? And why was it not removed from all vaccines?

Condescending, evasive jabberwonky responses from health department officials are not welcome.
Posted by dickie, Monday, 29 December 2008 4:11:12 PM
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Questions should be asked regarding the safety of any medical treatment. This is why we and other countries have regulatory bodies and peer reviewed research and why information is available publicly. I encourage these sort of questions. I don't believe any Company wants to risk their whole business by producing something that will ruin their reputation and result in multimillion dollar lawsuits.

The issue I have is that when concerns are thoroughly investigated by experts in their field from around the world, the results of these investigations are then conveniently ignored by the sceptics who continue to cite anecdotal reports as 'evidence' and post them on websites. The nurse for example who has apparently 'observed' first hand the serious consequences of MMR vaccine - was this based on any scientific study or just complete coincidence? Dickie tells us that many doctors don't vaccinate their children - what is your evidence for this and what numbers are you talking about? - if you don't really know then don't state it as fact.

People with sick children join support groups hoping to understand their situation better and will latch onto whatever information they come across that makes them feel better. If you want to ask questions then by all means do so - but make sure it is based on objective and current research material. Selective reporting and outright misrepresentation just makes you look ignorant and doesn't help your cause at all. Unless of course the cause is to scaremonger.

People's perspective will be determined by their experience. I have not personally met anyone who has been seriously affected by a vaccine. I have however met two people who have been permanently brain damaged following exposure to vaccine preventable diseases. It has been shown beyond doubt that mass vaccination for many diseases has benefits that by far outweigh the possible costs to a very small number. It would be horrible if your child was one of these. Hopefully though we will be able to reduce those costs to zero with more research. So keep asking questions - just do it responsibly.
Posted by sajo, Monday, 29 December 2008 7:24:55 PM
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