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Love and other acts of human kindness : Comments

By Audrey Apple, published 18/1/2008

Relationships are difficult, frustrating, fraught with temptation, blame and sometimes pain - especially when it is time to say goodbye.

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Iíve been waiting for all the feminist commentators on OLO to say how wonderful it is that there is love between a man and a woman.

But there doesnít appear to be anyone.
Posted by HRS, Saturday, 19 January 2008 12:29:28 PM
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And yet, HRS, no men have stepped forward to say the reverse.

In fact, there's only been one comment. A critical comment about feminists, from a man.

Beautiful article Audrey. Ignore the trolling from HRS.

An article comes forward, about the simple love between a man and a woman, as well as the difficulties it can present.

It's not judgemental and it doesn't criticise men.

Yet HRS stills find a reason to hammer feminists, simply because there's a lack of comment.

I find that repulsive.

And HRS, you're still just ignoring the fact that self decribed feminists have spoken in these very threads, saying they don't hate men.

It's clear you have no response to this.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Saturday, 19 January 2008 12:39:14 PM
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I'm still waiting for Audrey Apple to take the banner "Boys are made of slime and snails" off her blogsite.

Audrey Apple can say whatever she like (and judging by the amount of profanity on her blogsite, she does), but removing the offensive banner is a tangiable sign that she actually does believe in love, and actually does believe in males.

But I think I will have to wait for a long time to see the banner removed.

As far as the feminists on OLO are concerned, they keep portaying themselves as being such loving people, but "no comment" provides considerable doubt as to their claims.
Posted by HRS, Saturday, 19 January 2008 1:34:52 PM
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Hell, HRS. I hope to high heaven she doesn't remove the banner.

It's a joke. Most people get that. Removing it would be kowtowing to censorship pressure from someone who clearly just doesn't get it.

Your solution to the destructive types of feminism, has been to group all feminists under this banner.

This is such a dumb tactic. Instead of having a portion of feminists as your enemy, you're declaring war on all of them.

What's particularly stupid, is that the logic of the hardcore fringe feminists is easy to dismantle.

Heck, when genuinely destructive, hyperactive feminists publish articles on OLO, I'll be right there alongside you criticising them for empty rhetoric.

But when you attack reasonable feminists, and those who have the temerity to use a little humour, and yes, make some lighthearted criticism of males, you turn sensible people off.

Take a look at the damn big picture. One 'snips and snails' comment, does not a man-hater make. She's told you so direcly, but you just don't want to believe her. You'd rather bully with passive-aggressive tactics until she changes her creative style to suit your feminist paranoia.

Screw that. I like her stlye and I hate censorship.

Tell me HRS - how many people have you persuaded on these threads, who weren't already of a similar mindset to yourself?

Contrast this to how many you've disgusted. I know I have no time for the ridiculous kinds of feminism that just attack men. The kind that seeks rights for women where there are still inequalities however, I support.

You however, are doing exactly what I dislike about the man-hating feminists. You're grouping them as one, and refuse to accept some are decent.

You're a hypocrite.

And you still can't accept the fact that self described feminists are commenting in these threads that they don't hate males.

Until you address this blatantly obvious fact, your transparent feminist hate-streak doesn't have legs.

I've brought this up repeatedly, but you can't deal with it, so you ignore it, though I suppose this is the only viable way to maintain delusional conspiracies.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Saturday, 19 January 2008 6:05:19 PM
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HRS says, "I'm still waiting for Audrey Apple to take the banner "Boys are made of slime and snails" off her blogsite."

So did you send Audrey an email, HRS? Or are you just waiting for her to divine your viewpoint via emanations from the ether?

Having read a few of Audrey's blog posts at http://audreyapple.blogspot.com , I'd be fascinated to see how you would try and persuade her in this.

So, best of luck in your campaign and do keep us informed.
Posted by Johnj, Saturday, 19 January 2008 8:28:28 PM
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Even within a barrel of bad apples, it is still possible to find a good one.

I do have to say that this bad apple did write a particularly moving article.

Grief is just another word, until, one experiences the rawness of the emotion. How it tears you apart inside and the world continues on around you as if nothing had happened.

As my father lay on the hospital trolley after his heart attack, tears started trickling down from my eyes, for a moment I wanted to stop the flow, then I thought to myself, I needed to cry and let them flow. On the periphery I was aware of others being uncomfortable with my tears.

Now there are a few points that I could raise that would undoubtedly raise the hackles of a few. Perhaps in a later post, I am still debating the merits.
Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 20 January 2008 6:34:52 AM
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