bushbasher, when it comes to lobbyist your morality is as much suspect as any other socialist, atheist, humanist, secularist or ultra right religionists. And so it should be. There is a criminal hiding behind every philosophy and to suggest yours is pure is as stupid as a religion extremist purporting that their rule will be benign. Each issue that comes before the government ought to be weighed solely on it's merits and ability to transcend political partisanship and relate equally to all without prejudice or exploitation. Our society is already crippled by laws and regulations that are not applied equally nor favour all inclusively. Further fragmentation of what should be a cohesive society will not be helpful.
On a personal note. You can not attack the religious for their beliefs and hold an expectation that the same will not be inflicted upon yours. If your so superior it is not enough to say they started it.

aqvarivs, where did i express my morality was pure? where did i express any moral view whatsoever, except an appreciate for the words of christ?

how you can so predictably miss the point of others' posts, how you can so infallibly introduce straw men to attack, this simply escapes me. you're clearly not dumb, but your posts are excrutiatingly obtuse.

my post was short and clear and pointed. if you wish to ignore what others write, and to simply enjoy the sound of your own voice, then good for you. personally, i find you distracting and a bore.

bushbasher, I didn't miss anything. It's right there for all to see as plain as your liars nose. You smirched others system of belief by calling it magic. You CHOSE to put one system of belief down to raise yours up. While desperate, it implies a position of assumed superiority. Your intent was quite clear. Also my original post did not have your name on it. Unless you are 'THE' God hater. You choose to write your victims outrage on a post that was explicitly arguing, by use of Kant and others, that the moral imperative was one of REASON. As in "Not following the moral law is seen to be self-defeating and thus contrary to reason." NOT RELIGION.
Learn to read and especially comprehend before allowing your emotions to dictate your reasoning and you'll probably find your not being victimised but, rather supported EQUALLY.
There should be no preference and should be no sense of entitlement. Oh ya, AND VICTIMS SHOULDN'T GET A VOTE. It's that mentality that has at it's principle our government and society encumbered and unable to achieve positive direction no matter which political party is in office.
If my posts are to you obtuse than it is only because you find value in not recognising my belief in equality of representation and want to hang onto some vestige of entitlement. I speak to those who understand that our democracy has been corrupted by the lobby for 'special interest' crowd and that that aspect of our governing requires definite change.
The only straw man here is you as victim.

aqvarivs, I don't wish to lamb-ast you goatuitously, but can ewe please stop baaastardising our language in your decreasingly coherent bleatings?

Maaaa-aaany thaaa-aanks :)

Kevin Jesus was not Christian as you say , nor was Jesus a Jew. Jesus was not a human and Jesus was not a man. Jesus is a character of fiction. For the purposes of the story the character was Jewish and the story set in and around Jerusalem. Most of the story including the so called morality of Christ's teachings is taken directly from the hero cult of Mithras. Jesus is just another deified hero of myth and offered nothing new to the readers except that it signalled a milestone in the ongoing Grecofication of the Hebrew cultures which had been building for over 200 years.Heaven , Hell , afterlife, judgement were all transplanted Greek concepts.
The discourse Christ offers is not of personal morality but a threat of communism to the dictatorship of Herod. Christ teaches that the masses can justify the authority of kingdoms through the superstitious idol of god. Safe reading too because when Jesus was invented Herod was long dead and Rome was deeply contained through tyranny. The irony was Jesus was the tool of tyranny from Constantine until this very day. It took until Martin Luther until the words of Christ were taken seriously again and Christian groups founded communist communities which are the founders of modern communism. Secularism is a threat to modern Christians because freedom threatens the communist structure. The brothers must tow the line or the community will fail. As far as morality is concerned Christians and Christianity have never justified their claims that they are moral. Certainly their god does not back them up, all their claims are made up, constructs to suit their agenda to gain power over other peoples lives.

BushBasher I ask you to demonstrate to me the moral foundation in Christs teachings as demonstrated through aqvarivs's discussion with you as he/she is a representation of the outcome of believing in Jesus.