You cannot get food poisoning from untainted fruit. If there are bad Christians therefore Christianity itself is the source of that , if there are bad muslims then Islam itself is the source of it. There had always been Nazis during the war who chose not to kill Jews, we still judge facism because of the deeds that facism allowed. Religion is no different than facism, only which belief inspires will manifest from it. If persecution is the outcome of some Christians all Christians must accept that their beliefs, idols , faiths are at fault. This is where Islam is failing at the moment , the failure to accept that the core philosophy of Islam is wrong. Christians also have failed to accept the core of their philosophy is just plain wrong and so the outcome in deeds of worshippers will be Chaos.

To put it simply head on collisions are rare and drivers are taken off the road for driving on the wrong side (rejected by law) because at the core of road laws is that we all keep left.

David.... Why is it always Paul that Christians refer to when debating and not the words of their Christ? Do Christians place Paul number 1 with Jesus Number 2 when arguing. Christ in Matthew 5 & 6 set out how Christians should react and behave. These along with the 10 commandments are absolutely fundamental to Christians and their obedience to their Christ. Christs teachings = Christian.

The article you provided really just hasn't been proven. It may suit people to believe that but surely proof is what is needed when war is declared? It is so old and if it were provable the USA would have rushed this info into the media ad nauseum - so I guess a reasonable mind might think that the ex-Iraqi General might be just trying to sell books.

Plus you didn't address the question of the falsified evidence put before the UN. Come on now... You can't just drop a few of the ten commandments when it suits your thinking... No-one calling themselves Christian can do that... surely?

Of course once you get into the Bible there are all manor of nasty little pieces hidden within it's volumes.Exodus 21 on slavery is a beauty for any Christian to ponder. What? Aussies can have a New Zealand slave(s? It approves selling daughters into slavery? - Hmmm what was God thinking? Jesus in Luke 12:47 says you can whip servants (slaves)... Wow what was Jesus thinking?

Christians forming alliances to ask politicians questions is a dangerous step - especially when the Christians haven't even questioned their own belief system. As I have said earlier ... If you don't ask the right questions you will never get the answers.

So Is it unchristian for a politician to falsify evidence, start a war, and cause 100's of thousands of people to die needlessly? Is it unChristian to torture people and turn a blind eye knowing that torture has taken place? Is it unChristian to send young people to war to risk their lives based on falsifications? It seems it is Christian to own slaves and whip them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/60II/main577975.shtml

Very good and interesting points Opinionated.

I will re-address the article. Its nearly midnight for the election , the New Dark Age that Christian lobby groups are pushing for is not a meaningful political issue. I look at the news papers before me Australians are talking about the drought , water crisis , the drying Murray - Darling , aid for farmers , the working poor , the working exploited , AWA's ,housing affordability, falling living standards and the New Gold (and uranium ) rush of the three western states. Economic dependence on China and rising interest rates. Federal abandonment of education and health. A decrepid prime minister and a widely hated treasurer with ambitions to be PM himself. The closest Jesus comes to this election is Howards personal hope that Family First holds the balance of power in the senate. Family First have a tiny fringe following and have demonstrated to be the least morally guided party of them all and that is a bold statement considering the damage the Howard Government has inflicted by avoiding doing its job with climate change for the entire past decade alone. Not suprisingly the WMD, children overboard , AWA, AWB Prime Minister prefers a country at the mercy of Family first than somebody who would act ethically. But even then Howard was only throwing a toddler type temper tantrum as he is politically doomed. In a calm moment even he would have more sense than to prefer this country destroyed by what is essentially a fringe cult led political group.

whatever , aside from Mr Howards clutching at straws Australians are not interested adopting the New Dark Age and if they have any sense Family First wont still exist by the next time the Liberals return to power under Prime Minister Turnbull.

As the Australian Christian lobby comes of age -- and good luck to them -- the Secular Party of Australia is now emerging as a force for rationality, to temper the effects of the religious lobby and to assure that everyone gets a fair say at the end of the day.