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The Australian Church, a church without martyrs : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 27/8/2007

Our demise will not be marked by bloodshed but by the imperceptible erosion of all that is good and true. The market will dictate our values.

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Dont Christians (and some Moslems) just love lots of blood every where! And arent they both gearing up for the ultimate collective blood spilling, that will make all other previous conflicts seem like Sunday afternoon picnics?

I wonder which century Sells lives in? And besides which his essentially dim-witted scribblings are hardly enough to inspire anyone.
Christianity is just another idea (and a rather childish and half-baked, one at that) among many, all of which are freely available via the internet.

The usual Christian just has a different set of ideas rattling around in his brain.

The usual Christian is just another self-possessed ego indentified with a mortal body-mind and as such is full of hell deep fear and trembling.

Being self-possessed the usual Christian ego is infinitely godless and in effect always, in every moment, at war with the Divine or Real God---utterly impervious to Divine Grace.

The dogma of scientism prevails in this time and place---and with deadly force---have you read the news? This ruling dogma cannot be effectively countered by conventional exoteric religion, because conventional religion is based on a calling to embrace a culture of beliefs that cannot be upheld or supported by the presumed-to-be-separate (fear infused) egoic body-mind that would want to believe in it.

The Feeling-Heart, which is the core of a truly religious consciousness, cannot be touched by the usual callings or dogmas.

There is certainly no evidence of such a calling or message in Sells scribblings.

Please check out The Heart Has A Question at:

1. http://www.dabase.org/tfrbkyml.htm

Plus Real God Cannot Be Proven

2. http://www.dabase.org/rgcbpobk.htm

Plus Touch: the essence of being fully human

3. http://beezone.com/AdiDa/touch.htm
Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:15:27 AM
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I had hoped this sort of nonsense had gone the way of flat earth and a six thousand year-old planet.
The writer says the Christian message is ‘truth’ and therefore children should be indoctrinated with it. Truth? That there is an invisible, omnipotent, omniscient superman in the sky? That after death an invisible unknowable part of every human ‘lives’ in a heaven – despite having no body? that Christianity is relevant today? That it is about love? Ha! Sick joke!
As for the lack of martyrs – there have been victims enough! Half of all suicides are gays whose lives have been destroyed by Christianity's ill-informed diatribes against them, pitting citizen against citizen. Lives are destroyed because Christianity engenders such hatred in the hearts of its followers against homosexuality that gay men marry when they don’t want to, to conceal their orientation.
Thousands of unwanted children are born to live lives of misery and disadvantage because Christians hate planned parenthood.
Wars are not about religion? How about Ireland's ‘troubles’? Iraq’s religious war. Recent bombings in India. Israel and Palestine. The stoning to death of adulterers in Africa and the Middle East is religious. The flogging to death and torture and imprisonment of gays in Africa and the Middle East is religious… these are wars against individuals.
As for social services… religions have always only served their own, whereas the state looked after everyone. Now that religions have clawed back so many social services the old inequities have resurfaced and those not deemed suitable are denied services. $8,000,000,000.00 profit the Catholics made in 2005… untaxed and unaccountable – the others are the same. When religion raises its head, decency, fairness and reason flee. Like sex, religion should only be practiced by consenting adults in private.
Posted by ybgirp, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:18:58 AM
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Mate..

Crap like this should be kept to your churches' sunday sermon for the sheeples that believe in this sky daddy wank.

I can only hope YOU are the first martyr in your fantasy.

It bets me how you could be a Research Officer at a University and yet be deluded by a myth started in the Bronze Age.

I certainly hope you don't get to teach anyone!
Posted by TriikaG, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:21:34 AM
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The most significant comment in the article is the last one:
'the church is failing in Australia and was perhaps set to fail from the beginning'.
Not surprising when you consider that our first settlers were torn away from a society which had been conditioned to accept a ficticious god, a mythical jesus and all manner of fairytale dogma.
People have become aware they they, and only they, are responsible for the outcomes in their lives, not some religious corporation.
It's interesting to see TV coverage of the religious loonies in the US to confirm that power is the goal of religion.
I've mentioned before how apposite it is that god and gullibility both begin with "g".
Posted by Ponder, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:36:38 AM
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TriikaG: "Crap like this should be kept to your churches' sunday sermon"

Actually, I think that's precisely what Sellick's OLO articles generally are, i.e. recycled sermons. However, I don't necessarily agree that they shouldn't appear elsewhere - we are, after all, quite free to not read them.

While Sellick's sermons are often abstruse and ponderous, they also give insight into the workings of a particular kind of Christian mind. At least he generally doesn't flood the comments threads with raving loony claptrap like some other Christians do.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:38:54 AM
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Ho Hum

By far the most innocent blood is poured out daily in Australia by our secular humanist who in the name of human rights murder unborn children. The next most violent lot in Australia seem to be the extreme lefties who turn up at every anti government rally in order to cause violence. Don't see to many salvos doing to much damage!
Posted by runner, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:39:26 AM
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