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Australian Muslims need leadership : Comments

By Syed Atiq ul Hassan, published 23/1/2007

It is time Australian Muslims unified as a community with responsible leaders who can competently lead the community in the right direction.

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The problem with Australian Muslims lies with the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. They hold the power over Muslim society in Australia and give the nod to trash like our Mufti Taj El Din Hilaly.
Everything said and done in every mosque in Australia is done with the authority of the A.F.I.C.

I have no idea as to Islam as a religion. It can not be any worse than Judaism or Christianity, of which it competes for dominion as THE voice of God. There is no doubt in my mind that Islam is the most repressive and oppressive form of government of all dictatorships. It must be such a slap in the face for any Muslim coming to Australia in the hopes of freedom and liberty to find that for him or her nothing will have changed. The likes of the A.F.I.C. will make sure of that.
Posted by aqvarivs, Tuesday, 23 January 2007 10:31:51 PM
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Syed Atiq ul Hassan's article "Australian Muslims need leadership" is just another puff-piece designed to gloss over the facts. By the way, would this new "leader" be Shi'ite, Sunni, Sufi.......what? Remembering, of course, the 1350 year old Sunni/Shi'ite conflict.
After a few paragraphs of how diverse and tolerant Muslims are he comes up with: "Islam also teaches to respect the faith and beliefs of others. Prophet Mohammed denounced racism and sectarianism."
This is an outright lie.
There is too much observable behavior of Muslims, in The Philippines, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Sudan, Iran and Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Nigeria, Somalia, France, UK, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands, Russia and everywhere that Muslims have shown that they do indeed divide the universe between Believer and Infidel, do indeed think that they have no need in the countries where Islam dominates to treat non-Muslims as equals but can deal with them as they see fit, discriminating against them, persecuting them, driving them out, even mass-murdering them. When you gaze at conflicts around the globe today, the one constant is Islam. Muslims are fighting, or have recently fought, Jews in the Mideast, Hindus in Kashmir, Christians in Nigeria, Atheists in Russia, Buddhists in Thailand and Burma, Catholics in the Philippines, and Orthodox Christians in the Balkans.
Christianity was eradicated from most Gulf Arab states within a few centuries of the arrival of Islam.
Jews and Christians are under Allah's curse (9:30) and unbelievers are the "vilest of creatures" (98:6)
Hindu victims -- 60-70 million of them -- were murdered by Muslims, and the murdering only stopped, as did the forced conversions, when it was realized that if every Hindu disappeared, then so too would those who could pay the Jizyah.
Continued.....
Posted by Skid Marx, Tuesday, 23 January 2007 11:46:51 PM
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What about the murder of the peaceful Buddhists of southern Thailand by Muslims? What about the strange outward flow of non-Muslims, observable everywhere that Muslims now rule where they once did not -- as in the lands that were once part of the Raj now known as Pakistan and Bangladesh, where the Hindu percentage of the population is now 10% of what it was in 1947 in Pakistan, and a quarter of what it was in Bangladesh in 1947? And what about the steady diminution in the numbers of Christians in Arab lands? And never mind the disappearance of a million Jews who, experiencing pogroms in Cairo and Tripoli and Baghdad, were not about to remain to enjoy the famed "tolerance" of Islam? Jews, who had in 1920 constituted one-third of the population of Baghdad, had disappeared unlamented from Iraq, having left in a hurry, harried out, sent packing, after the pogrom of 1941, or the little pogroms of 1948-1950, or the public hanging of innocent Jews as "Zionist spies" in January 1969, before a Baghdad crowd of a half-million howling with hysteria and rapturous hate, who made sure that any who remained would not remain for long.
So far the taqiyya-and-kitman "moderates" only attempt to retain their own position in Australia, and to deflect Infidel attention. For they know, or suspect, that the Muslims are not yet strong enough, the time is not right, and it was very silly of al Hilali, Feiz Mohammed and others to talk in such a way so soon -- for things were going so swimmingly without the need for any honesty and Qur'an quoting whatsoever.
Posted by Skid Marx, Tuesday, 23 January 2007 11:49:47 PM
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Why is it that Muslims are hell bent on getting out of where they? Are they trying to escape the repressive regimes or is it to escape the medieval cultural values that their religion promotes in these countries such as honour killings and Sharia law.
I have a feeling that it is some sort of Mullah engineered process for the Islamization of the west. I think this process is quite advanced in Western Europe where it is often stated that because of low birth rates among Europeans that France, Holland and Belgium will be predominantly Moslem by 2070. In England, Germany and Italy this may take a little longer but it is certainly in train.
Posted by SILLE, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 6:22:26 AM
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As Turkish people comprise a large part of the Moslem population and probably the single largest group shouldn’t any leader be chosen from their group. The Turkish people are more compatible with the Australian way of life and not as fanatical and anti-western as some of the crazed current leaders and teachers we see running around in their white pyjamas and crocheted caps promoting their twisted doctrines.
Posted by SILLE, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 6:39:06 AM
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TurnRightThenLeft,

Qur'an-versus-Bible (cont.}

To believe the Qur'an one has to test the author first. Obviously it cannot be the same God of the Bible who came as a man to die on a cross to save us. That fact is clearly denied in Islam.

So it must be Mohammad's interpretation of the Bible, distorting events to suit his political career.

Was Mohammad a prophet? My answer is another question: what did he prophesy? Did he perform any miracles? Did he bring an additional notions that we can't find in the Bible already?

No. no, and no.

The Jews of time didn’t think so either. They scoffed at his ridiculous claim of prophethood and that was the genesis of Islamic Judeo-phobia. One evidence is Mohammad’s decision to change the direction for prayer “Kibla” from Jerusalem to Mecca.

Example: the Qur'an never mentions the Passover (celebrated by Jews even in Mohammad’s time) - a crucial moment in the scheme of Judeo-Christian events leading to a redeemer Messiah (Jesus). Very clever move MO…

Mohammad's understanding of God is very primitive - based on fear of an “unknowable” judge in the sky - when the real God of the Bible made Himself known in the flesh (Jesus) as a merciful saviour. All Mohammad needed to do is ask a Christian.

Jesus is the fulfilment of all prophesies past and to come. As I said before Mohammad was never announced in the Bible (as claimed by Muslims) - there was no need for further (non-Jewish) prophetic revelations after God Himself appeared and lived among us.

One other crucial point: most original biblical text still exist today. When the Qur’an was edited (by men) all originals where burnt. (bad move)

Conclusion: The Bible has been proven to be at least historically and archeologically correct – But according to Islam, no evidence for the Qur’anic text are necessary, the tales of one Arab man over 22 years span is plenty evidence for trusting him as the ultimate human being that ever lived, he is to be emulated with their daily rituals (including killings) without questioning.
Posted by coach, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 7:34:53 AM
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