Oh great another god toting IDer trying to tell the rest of us that his morals are right and ours are wrong. When is humanity going to be free of these insane people.

Joe. Please state where you are coming from, you are affiliated with:

Pontifical Academy for Life
The Australian Family Association
Endeavour Forum Inc
Family Council of Victoria
National Civic Council

The Second World Congress of Families

Australian speakers included Dr Joe Santamaria, Kevin Andrews MP and Mrs Babette Francis.
The Congress resolutions included:
Taking innocent human life through abortion and euthanasia is wrong; respect for human life demands that we choose the life-protecting options of adoption and palliative care. The destruction of embryonic human beings, lethal human embryo experimentation and abortifacients also involve the wrongful takings of human life ...

Your St Vincent's Bioethics Centre is a Catholic Pro-Life Lobby Group
“By the end of the 1970s, modern reproductive technology posed grave ethical problems for the Church, which went far beyond the issues espoused by the pro-life movement. The establishment of the St Vincent's Bioethics Centre resulted from discussions between the Sisters of Charity, some members of the senior medical staff and the Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne. Such discussions included Father Harman who strongly advocated the formation of a Catholic Bioethics Centre as a counterforce to the prevailing utilitarian philosophy being promoted by the high profile Monash University Bioethics Centre.”
Of course you are following your PRO-FAMILY LOBBY GUIDE http://www.fcv.org.au/profamguide.htm?randid=0927627635
Your views are not based on any scientific facts, except those quoted by the Endeavour Forum which was set up to counter feminism, defend the unborn and the traditional family.

Please acknowledge you pro-life evangelist status before attempting to justify your rantings in psuedo-science. I realise that the FCV has identified the internet as a good lobbying tool but please spare us.

Ok so answer me a question if you can.... I've been watching the news, watching thousands of poultry in Turkey, being put in bags and being buried alive, to suffer a cruel and miserable death and nobody says boo.

Most women have the potential to create around 400 little human organsims in their lifetimes. They are nothing more then a bunch of dividing cells. As Darwin noted, not all can survive, that is part of natural law.

So tell me why I should be more concerned with the fate of the dividing cells, then I should be about the fate of the poultry, who are clearly suffering from enormous human cruelty.

The Pope is an unelected foreign dictator. He has a vast network of agents working in most parts of the world. These are the priests and similar. At least they are open, we know who they are and what they claim to stand for.

But more sinisterly, he also has a possibly vaster network of secret agents and double agents. These are the politicians, bureaucrats, advisors and lobbyists who would claim to hold allegiance to the country of their citizenship, but instead work and scheme tirelessly in the service of their master. This is political skullduggery.

And it's a form of treason, isn't it?

What do we want! Rights for Embryo's! When do we want them? Now!

Stupid, stupid stuff..perhaps we should let the embryos vote? Why don't we ask them what they think about stem cell research etc.. oh thats right, they can't think, don't have any self awareness, aren't actually people at all.

'the virtue of justice would extend to the human (embryo), to a more fundamental right for it to exist and to grow and not to be treated as a material commodity for the good of others'

- Like the poor who slave in sweat shops, who carry guns in civil wars at 10 years old, to suffer in poverty, and die with no joy, no happiness in this material world.

'From dust to dust , ashes to ashes'

As we are ALL made from the same dust , a virtue of justice ought to extend to the earth and the air we breath.!