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Sydney’s burning: but why did it happen? : Comments

By Peter West, published 14/12/2005

Peter West examines the causes of the Sydney riots.

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“Sydney’s burning: why did it happen?”

Simple question, simple answer: because of an enforced, official multicultural policy and the immigration of people who were never going to assimilate and who will never assimilate.

No need for pontificating and hand wringing. It’s far too late now. Until now, we have been spectators of the violence that follows Muslims wherever they go. Now we have to endure the same conflict, and it has only just started
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 10:49:32 AM
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Leigh

Dead wrong and deadly dangerous response. Peter's simple question does NOT have a simple answer. This simplistic thinking -- plus a flood of hormones and alcohol -- is a major cause of the violence in the first place.

For one thing violence does NOT follow Muslims wherever they go. I have Muslim friends who lead very peaceful lives in my city. This conflict only becomes one of religion when you you start saying it is.

These sorts of violent clashes between mobs from different ethnic or cultural backgrounds have occurred from the time of the first colonisation of Australia. (Some may say even before that.) I remember some even in Adelaide in the '50s when I was growing up. Perhaps we need to look more carefully at our history and try to learn more from it.

Let's all calm down a bit, stop the mutual blaming and do some real thinking.
Posted by Crabby, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:31:55 AM
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"It seems these Middle Eastern guys comment to Australian girls about how they dress "
"It also appears they can walk down the street..., (it appears they) say what offensive comments…"

It seems, it appears… Just how wishy-washy can a person get? And this person is a Ph.D. and head of a sociological research group - yet he has no idea of what the facts are. Here we see the fruit of multiculturalism, where one cannot express anything negative about non-Western cultures in anything but the most vague and ambiguous way possible. Heaven forbid that Mr. West should be judgmental about in anyway except if referring to whites or western civilization.

"These ideas may or might not explain what happened." Well, if you don't have a clue, why bother to write the darn article?

The fact is that it will get worse. Muslims cannot integrate and live side by side (in numbers) with other people. Read the Quran and the hadiths. They are very clear as to the preferred relationship between Muslims and infidels.

There are no easy answers. Violence is not the solution; it only takes one side down to the level of the other. To create new restrictions and or single out Muslims for retribution only will create resentment and radicalize many otherwise peaceful folks within that community. To continue under the current policy of asinine political correct multiculturalism is to add fuel to the fire.

In my opinion, forget banning headscarves or the hajib, the best we can do is be honest with Muslims about their religion. Tell them the things they do not want to hear or even think about. Show them the verses from their scriptures that proclaim hate and anger to non-Muslims. Show them the repulsive deeds performed by their prophet Mohammed - a man they consider to be a great "example". Tell them you are offended! Demand that they explain these verses. Do not accept anything but absolute honesty.

This is the best way to deal with this issue. Even so, this may not be enough. Bad times are a-coming.

Kactuzkid
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:58:53 AM
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Kactuz:

Like Leigh you're bent on getting a simple answer to a complex problem. You're only fuelling the flames.

You write: "Well, if you don't have a clue, why bother to write the darn article?" And then you say: "There are no easy answers." So are you howling down Peter for taking the same position as yourself? Seems to be plain self-contradiction.

The article is offering a lot of clues for us to consider. Clues, not THE answer. Finding answers will take a lot of hard and humble thought. And it will take time: the problem has, after all, taken a long time to develop to this violent point.

You write: "Muslims cannot integrate and live side by side (in numbers) with other people." And then: "To create new restrictions and or single out Muslims for retribution only will create resentment and radicalize many otherwise peaceful folks within that community." Again you're contradicting yourself.

I repeat: Let's all calm down a bit, stop the mutual blaming and do some real thinking.
Posted by Crabby, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 12:24:30 PM
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We have the Metropolis we had to have. We have persisted with a political structure that has concentrated money flows, wealth, political influence, jobs and investment in one single location. This can only result in the formation of a large metropolis at the expense of regional communities, regional economies and the established values on which this nation thrived. It has not been helped by an imigration policy that has been overly weighted towards metropolitan settlers. And surprise, surprise, we now have all the problems normally associated with oversized cities.

History has shown that migrants of all origins have intergrated much better in smaller cities and towns where the smaller scale precludes the kind of dysfunctional tribalism being demonstrated recently in Sydney.

But the real irony in all this is that for all the problems that are directly challenging the character and quality of metropolitan life, urban voters and their elected members still take the view that they know what is best for rural and regional communities.

But the view from the bush is that Sydney has held all the power, influence and resources for more than five decades so we have every right to say, 'tough, it is your problem, created on your watch, so fix it yourself".

It is time rural NSW had its own State so Sydney can concentrate on its own problems and leave us to spend our own GST on our own priorities.
Posted by Perseus, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 12:25:07 PM
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Id rather fuel the flames for a civil revolt. It is about time Australia was going to have somthing like this. Nearly every country on the planet so far has experience a civil war based on race.

Dont deny the inevitable it was going to occur one day or another, the only thing we can change is the outcome of what society we will live in after and how we can maintain a peacefull ordered multicultual society where reforms have been made to benifit all society.

Or we could end up having as a leader a mass murdering psycopath similar to Hitler or Stalin who will send us back into dark ages of a dictatorship exterminating civilians and opposition to maintain his/her power of Australia.
Posted by Hannibal Barca, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 12:33:32 PM
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