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Secular theology and artificial intelligence? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 20/5/2019

A single thread runs through the narrative as the various plots unfold; the intentional basis of human action.

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Christian "theology" does not even begin to understand the subtle psycho-physical structures and attributes of the human body-mind-complex.
For instance "when" and where is/are Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
http://www.beezone.com/adidajesus/adamnervoussystemeveflesh.html

The Seven potential stages of human psycho-physical growth.
http://www.aboutadidam.org/growth/seven_stages.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 20 May 2019 6:48:29 PM
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The human dilemma?

From a philosophical questioning of the human dilemma, if it is to arrive at the same conclusion, must include the solution of Christ.

The Christian view of the human dilemma, is original sin and it's by-product of guilt. The solution is Christ.

So now the question is; can sinners be reunited with God outside of Christian witness?

Over to you Peter.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 20 May 2019 9:12:13 PM
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Dear Peter,

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You wrote :

« The writers of the gospels are better described as artists rather than historians in the modern sense … the texts they produce … are akin to historical fiction … the writers of the gospels used their imaginations to understand the event of Jesus, not to make it less true, but more true »

Never has a truer word been spoken !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltyzuDLErM&list=RDOltyzuDLErM&start_radio=1&t=3
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Really ? Can something be more true than true ?

The OED indicates the following meanings for true :

1. In accordance with fact or reality
2. Accurate or exact
3. Loyal or faithful
4. (archaic) Honest

Can something be more in accordance with fact than fact itself ? More real than real ? More accurate than accurate ? More exact than exact ? More loyal than loyal ? More faithful than faithful ? More honest than honest ?
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And are you right in saying that Jesus was an event – like the Melbourne Cup or the Olympic Games, for example ?

The OED indicates the following meaning for event :

A thing that happens or takes place, especially one of importance.
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Does that mean that the OED considers that Jesus was uneventful ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 12:33:52 AM
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BP.

The author (PS) is attempting to articulate the literary definition of the NT.

The dangers of this task, you well point out.

For example, Paul's letters to the Corinthians, were written in the second person. They are straight forward instruction.

Where this gets sketchy, is the relation of the story of Christ in the Gospels. These are positioned from the perspective of the third person. He said, she said!

The interpretation of the Gospels require faith and spiritual guidance from God himself.
Without the input of the Holy Spirit, rational arguments put forward towards their understanding and explanation fall flat on their face.

It's at this point, fundamentalist ideals win.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 7:07:47 AM
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Dear Peter,

An interesting review of a book speculating about consciousness and AI.

>>While many writers are informed by the Christian tradition, there are also those who are not, and who must strive to reach human truth by experience and observation. They stand as proof against the view that there is no salvation outside of the Church.<<

I agree with the first sentence but do not see how can those who are not “informed by the Christian tradition” provide a proof against “no salvation outside of the Church”, a phrase that does not make sense outside the Christian tradition.

>> It assumes that God has made a universe that is governed by his will, logical enough, but misconstrued. Its untruth is revealed whenever we find ourselves lingering on the brink of our own and other's catastrophes. Why would God make the AIDs virus that killed about forty million people?<<

This refers to the “problem of evil” that occupied Christian philosophers for centuries (the phrase when googled will give you 7.8 million hits), and has widely been accepted by Christians as an enigma that they have to live with (something like the enigmas of quantum physics that physicists have to live with).

Who contributed more to the gradual dismissal of Christianity as the cultural backbone of the West: militant atheists/materialists, muslims, or theologians trying to explain away the basic beliefs that used to underlie Christian faith (not to mention the moral and other corruption of the clergy)?
Posted by George, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 7:35:47 AM
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George.

*...Who contributed more to the gradual dismissal of Christianity as the cultural backbone of the West: militant atheists/materialists, muslims, or theologians trying to explain away the basic beliefs that used to underlie Christian faith (not to mention the moral and other corruption of the clergy)?...*

You know what George, the Catholics removed the book of Enoch from the apocrypha five hundred years ago. ( speculation is rife as to why they did that).
That book has all the answers to the question of evil, you would ever need.

Funny thing though, Christ (and others), had access to this book, whereas we were denied its teachings. So if we Christians flounder around with the question of evil, and the way God dealt with it, we may be excused.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 8:49:18 PM
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