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Abortion and the human person : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 9/7/2018

It seems impossible to refuse the conclusion that the foetus is a potentially self-aware human being and that it may not be disposed of as passive tissue or as animal life.

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In Truth & Reality, contrary to all of the idealist stuff about human beings being made in the "image of 'God'" Christian-ism communicates a very limited and Spiritually impoverished (mis)understanding of what we are as human beings, all wrapped up in one word, namely that we are all "sinners".

If you begin with the presumption of "sin" then everything that you do and say both individually and collectively is INEVITABLY and extension and re-enforcement of your sinfulness. How could it be otherwise!

To be a sinner is to be hell-deep Godless.
Sin is the presumption of separation from The Living Divine Reality. There is no Real Existence until sin is transcended. All actions and states of presumed "knowledge" and experience are empty, painful, problematic, and sinful until the presumption of separation from The Living Divine Being is utterly transcended.

What all beings require is Divine Communion. Without Divine Communion there is no True humanity, no responsibility, and no Real freedom. Without Divine Communion the usual dreadfully sane individual is simply an unconscious functional entity living a bewildered adventure of functional relations, without any sense of a Sacred or Divine Plane to his or her awareness.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 9 July 2018 9:36:57 AM
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Thanks Peter, I was fascinated by your insight into our human consciousness. "...Persons cannot be reduced to their descriptors because they are sentient beings, and as such are essentially unknowable. Indeed, we are unknowable to our very selves. We have no control over the thoughts that emerge in us, even those who attempt self-awareness are strangers to themselves. This is why "artificial intelligence" is a misnomer." We are truly God-like, unknowable, even to ourselves Alfred
Posted by Alfred, Monday, 9 July 2018 9:58:47 AM
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If you spend some time reading any of the billions of words written by Christians you will not get any sense whatsoever that the human body-mind-complex, and the World Process altogether is a psycho-physical Process. Nor, with rare exception will you any talk about the nature of Consciousness with a capital C, or of the paradoxical nature of Light, which is the Energy of Consciousness.

Nor will you find any hint of a suggestion what happens when we go to sleep every night - re spend a third of life sleeping.

The contents and significance of the dream state is never mentioned.

Nor is the nature and significance of the formless deep sleep state in which there are no objects, in which we are relieved of the inherent stress caused by objects and human others. This is why nearly all human beings quite readily go to sleep every night.

The formless state of deep state is actually the closest we come to our Real Condition - it has quite rightly been called the poor man's samadhi.

This essay provides a unique Illuminated Understanding of what we are as human beings and the Process that we are all involved in.

http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/unique.html

Re the all-important topic of sexuality the book introduced at this reference gives a very comprehensive description of the subtle psycho-physical yogic processes involved in becoming responsible for ones reproductive potential, and what it thus requires even to prepare one's own body-mind-complex before becoming a parent.

http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/small.html

There is more Wisdom communicated just in the Table of Contents of this book than all of the usual double-minded Christian blather on this very important topic
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 9 July 2018 7:49:23 PM
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Dear Peter,

During WW2 my cousinís boyfriend went off to war. Two months she got word that he had been killed in battle, and she found herself pregnant. She committed suicide apparently feeling there was no alternative. She was a wonderful person, and I think of her when I hear of the rights of the foetus.
Posted by david f, Monday, 9 July 2018 8:30:49 PM
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One of the problems of abortion is that it is seen as a solution. Sometimes seen as the only solution. If it wasn't for that, how wrong it really is would be seen more easily.

With that in mind, in order to fight abortion I think we need to fight for other solutions, and fight for other options to be known. Or even for more of the options to be readily available, like finical assistance to adopt or something simular.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 1:42:22 AM
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//With that in mind, in order to fight abortion I think we need to fight for other solutions, and fight for other options to be known. Or even for more of the options to be readily available, like finical assistance to adopt or something simular.//

But what if you make all those other options (let's face it, we're talking about adoption) available and women would still rather have abortions rather than give their kids up for adoption?

What's your Plan B in that scenario?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 1:51:21 AM
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