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The Islamic hatred of modernity : Comments

By Woody Brock, published 4/10/2016

Their religious convictions are amplified by their detestation of the cultural, economic, ethical, and political values of Westerners.

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Islam in the Middle East is currently in the position that Christianity in Europe was four hundred years ago. The most likely scenario is that as affluence and education levels rise in the region it will go the same way as Christianity; a growing number of unbelievers and dissenters making contact in private and escaping official notice; sniping attacks on Islamic beliefs from former insiders who have escaped to a safe distance; an increasing realisation that religious beliefs are not founded on objective evidence; and an increasing dependence on trade and other kinds of communications that bring ordinary Muslims into contact with people who don't share their beliefs.

Much of this is already happening, at an accelerating rate. And we can hope that with the aid of the internet, this will take a lot less than 400 years. We should also recognise that some states and some cultures have other problems which will interact with Islam to halt or sometimes reverse the drive towards modernism. And of course we should intervene to try and block or remove any forces that represent major threats to human life.

But time is on our side. The single most effective driver towards modernity is the desire of parents to get their children into secure, well-paying jobs. Once they recognise that this isn't going to happen in a medieval theocracy, the foundations will start to crumble. We will need patience, though. This is generational change; it won't happen overnight.
Posted by Jon J, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 7:22:25 AM
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Yep the Jihadist just have to wait for the the totallly self centred secularist fundamentalist to destroy themselves with the lack of reason and denial of truth. Killing millions of babies (in mothers womb) a year as we import people who hate the West makes a lot of sense. Secularism has dumbed down a few generations to accept irrational dogmas such as evolution, gw and sexualisation of kids. Then we the history revisionist who are dumb/dishonest enough not to acknowledge that it was the acceptance of the Judeo/Christian ethics that made the West great. Now that the secularist have dumbed down enough people we are seeing the demise of our civilisation. Thankfully God is not surprised by our stupidity. Many millions are still putting faith in their Creator and Saviour.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 10:47:29 AM
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Talk about overstating the blindingly obvious! And yes ISIS must be defeated! And depriving them of their black market energy market, would go a very long way to achieving that end!

See my previous posts, then validate my claims, by visiting U tube and listening to several highly credentialed thorium energy experts or watch as a model airplane flies, on the alluded to man made from seawater, fuel!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:39:43 AM
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Jon J
The big difference between the reformation of Christianity 400 years ago, and any supposed or hoped-for reformation of Islam today, is that

1. the recourse of reformation Christians to the authority of the scriptures over the authority of the Catholic Church confronted them with the peaceful message of Christ and the illegitimacy of the corrupt claims of the church. By contrast, any civilising reformation of Islam cannot be by way of recourse to the fundamentals of the Koran and hadith, which will only confirm them in the creed of violence and the corrupt intermingling of religion and state power.

2. Therefore the only hope of a Muslim reformation can only be by way of them moving *away* from the teachings of their religion. By definition, such a movement can't expect much help from Muslims.

We can only hope for some sweet oblivion - perhaps a worldwide plague of a generation of kids glued to their virtual reality goggles?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 2:57:26 PM
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But what are the essential characteristics of the culture of modernism, and by extension postmodernism too?
The culture in which we are now all trapped,, and unconsciously entangled even while we prattle on about freedom and, in the case of Runner and other dreadfully sane Christian, "Jesus"

It is entirely secular, superficial, materialistic, outward-directed, and object-directed. It is founded on a form of propaganda about the nature of existence that has driven humankind to the point of collective self-destruction.

The entire pattern and trend of such culture, including scientific materialism, all modes of false philosophy, and everything relating to the current domain of ego-based consumer politics, social egoity, competitive social system, "tribalistc" national and "religious" systems, un-regulated econominc, and all of conventional "religion" is about death.

The current world-situation thus offers only the entropic end-pattern for the disintegration of the human species, which will inevitably become the catastrophic and complete failure of the human species and the total demise of the human species.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 6:59:29 PM
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Excellent observations, Daffy!

«The culture in which we are now all trapped... is entirely secular, superficial, materialistic, outward-directed, and object-directed»

But what else can we do? Like it or not (and I certainly don't), we live in the Kali Yuga, wherein the destructive currents are extremely strong.

However, it is said (note the similarity to the Western legend of Pandora's box) that this terrible age is when it is easiest to be liberated and even small efforts to resist the materialistic current produce tremendous results, that while in other ages you may have to perform severe austerities, such as hanging upside-down between 5 fires for 100,000 years, in the Kali Yuga it suffices to remember God and chant His name(s) - http://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-said-that-attaining-moksha-is-much-easier-in-the-Kaliyuga-compared-to-the-other-Yugas

«which will inevitably become the catastrophic and complete failure of the human species and the total demise of the human species»

But we need human bodies to complete our spiritual evolution, right? so while the human species will undoubtedly end one day, rest assured that God will not forsake us and leave us without adequate bodies - it may be on another planet, another galaxy or even another universe, but there will always be enough human or human-equivalent bodies available for those who are spiritually-ready for it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 1:59:23 AM
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