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History keeps proving prophets of eco-apocalypse wrong : Comments

By Ivo Vegter, published 29/9/2016

We might as well stop panicking. After all, it isnít good for our health, and itís probably too late to panic anyway.

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History has proved all the hysterics wrong, but they are not interested in history, and so the hysteria continues, at great cost to us.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 29 September 2016 9:23:47 AM
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Yes ttbn and it does not matter anyway !
The disaster that happened in Sth Aus the other day should give a
lot of people an opportunity to rethink their opinions.
Some news items said that the wind generators could not self reboot
up and come on line. The item said they need to have supply to come
up on frequency.
It seems that the controls on the wind generators only have primitive
functions.
They can have crystal oscillators to give them the 50 cycles
reference and then put them on line.
Needs more control to synch up if other m/cs come on line but I
have done it by hand and to computerise that function would be a
straight forward operation.

I have been looking for information on how long people were stuck
in lifts. There are many times the number of lifts than the number
of lift mechanics to get around them all and let them out.
For each bank of lifts it would require one to walk up to the lift
house to release the brake and a second to supervise the levelling
and opening the doors.

These people advocating alternative generation only just do not have a clue.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:20:13 AM
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History does no such thing! But confirmation bias and cherry picked data does!

That said, is it too late anyway? No! But only if we stop wasting valuable time with this endless prevarication and sabotage? What can we actually do? And is there any appetite whatsoever for now essential change in the corridors of power and influence!?

Or can we expect some of those with the power to usher in the necessary change to die in a ditch resisting essential change? And sadly that seems the case, demonstrated so ably by the diehard author!?

If that should ever change? And don't hold your breath, what is possible and doable?

First, we need to end with the nonsense mantras, that one, the government has no business in business, when only the government can do what must be done! And that is the embracing and rollout of nuclear energy! And if we need twenty years to get up to speed with our knowledge basis, then nothing but willful ignorance or a hidden agenda, prevents us importing the expertise needed!

And that expertise is on molten salt thorium walk away safe reactors!

Look, a banana is more radioactive than thorim, and we need to stop with the ideologically motivated hysteria that persistently compares apples with oranges!

This very technology will enable us to extract comparatively copious Co2 directly from seawater and combine it with hydrogen collected from the same source to produce liquid synthetic fuels! And done, not theoretical!

Thorium is around three times more abundant than uranium and child's play to extract and refine!

Step outside, collect a cubic metre of soil from virtually anywhere, and you'll collect some thorium with it!

On average around three MM's of it and collected and refined for around a hundred dollars, and enough energy to power your house and transport option for the next 100 years!

That's a dollar a year! And energy that cheap, clean and SAFE is enough to completely reverse our industrial fortunes and manufacturing sector! And turbocharge our economy! TBC.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:26:30 AM
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Paleoclimate research suggests we can expect a changing climate.

http://www.nap.edu/read/11676/chapter/1#x

and

http://www.nap.edu/read/11676/chapter/2#4

An article published in an Insurance Journal relating to the summer of 2016:

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2016/09/23/427368.htm#sthash.5nIshEys.dpuf

Typhoon Meranti has done much damage since, and Nagasaki has just received 118 mm of rain in an hour.

In a cooling climate the number of rain bombs happening would not make sense. Transpiration and evaporation are natural processes; unless I'm mistaken more evaporation takes place in higher temperatures, which means more ammunition for those rain bombs. The other factor is warm Oceans and water bodies generally. The so called "blob" has reappeared off the West Coast of the US; the expectatation had been with the last El Nino that the warmth would have dissipated; it hasn't. The "blob" had serious impacts on the drought in California, the shell fish industry was badly hurt, and there was culling of many marine organisms. A report lodged just lately suggested that a number of domestic wells in California have dried up.
Louisiana was hit hard by a rain bomb created in part by the very warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico; billions of dollars in damage was created.

The cryosphere is what moderates our climate; Arctic sea ice, Greenland ice shelves, the Third Pole and Antarctica are losing huge amounts of ice. Many glaciers have disappeared or are on the way out. In relation to the Arctic; the volume of sea ice had been 16,700 km3 in 1979, in 2015 it had been 5,700 km3, and the provisional volume for 2016 is about 4,400 km3 (rounded up). it means taking a very conservative drop in volume from 1979 to 2016 that 12,000 km3 has been lost.

Trend lines for temperature and loss of ice and sea ice have been going up.

The comment was made on Foreign Correspondent that nobody living on the island of Svalbard in the Arctic Ocean have doubt about climate change. Occasionally I've checked temperature at Svalbard and found them to be above average.

continued
Posted by ant, Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:07:22 PM
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Extracting Co2 directly from seawater as discussed results in some of it being dragged directly from the atmosphere, given the natural affinity of water and Co2!

Atmospheric Co2 is now in uncharted territory! And it didn't need to be anywhere that high the last time it, together with consequently melting methane, nearly exterminated all life on planet earth!?

And if you like historical evidence, then that is exactly what it shows!?

What prevents us building and operating a dozen molten salt thorium reactors (demonstrably cheaper and safer than coal) in downtown Adelaide and elsewhere? (my backyard) To prevent another state wide blackout as in the news now?

Just our so called endlessly prevaricating leaders and almost as useful as a hip pocket in a singlet!? Those resisting absolutely essential change (like he who must be Obied) as if their every financial outcome rested on it!?

Cannot be expected to ever put the national interest (yours, mine, our kids) ahead of their pecuniary interests?

Where this not the actual case? We would have already built a couple of dozen clean SAFE thorium reactors and placed them in our industrial heartlands!

Molten salt thorium reactors are a good news story that will not only provide clean carbon free power for just a fraction of the economy killing charges now sending our economy to hell in a handbasket!

[Don't take my word for it, just look at our total combined record debt burden!]

But can be used to very safely burn current nuclear waste, to reduce the half life o just 300 years, while other folk pay us billions for doing so! Get on U tube, listen to numerous highly credential experts confirm what I've posted on SAFE, CLEAN, CHEAP carbon free thorium!

Then stop allowing our so called leaders to get away with the same old same old! We just don't have the luxury of wasting our time and the future prospects of our kids and their kids!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:14:38 PM
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continued

There was no mention about prior to the article about Earth cooling in Newsweek, there had been one about global warming.

There has been increasingly more sophisticated research since the 1970s, commenting on that era is a blind alley, when ExxonMobil is taken into account a very unproductive area for deniers to write about.

Eunice Foote completed experiments in relation to greenhouse gases; her results were discussed at a Symposium in 1856. More sophisticated experiments have been conducted since; deniers provide a lot of verbiage often misrepresenting the science completed by actual scientists.
Posted by ant, Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:16:09 PM
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