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History keeps proving prophets of eco-apocalypse wrong : Comments

By Ivo Vegter, published 29/9/2016

We might as well stop panicking. After all, it isn’t good for our health, and it’s probably too late to panic anyway.

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Hear hear and well said ant! We can serve the national interest or those of obfuscating fossil fuel industry obsessing on how to wring every last dollar from a kidnapped and captive energy market!?

I mean miniaturisation and laser actuated thorium reactors, will power the motor vehicle, tractor, harvester, irrigation pump etc, for the next 100 years without refueling!

As one OPEC oil minister was heard to remark, the stone age didn't end for a want of stone!

There are just three kind of folk posting here, those who assemble and present facts (you, me and ?) and let the chips fall where they may. Or those, who deny them! Or last but not least, those who studiously and oh so cleverly reinterpret them, then select those that serve a patent confirmation bias?

Get on U tube, listen to a number of highly credentialed experts exposing the truth on safe clean cheap thorium reactors and molten salt technology.

Factual information accompanied by blue prints and operational history! Some memory chips might be useful, if only to prevent the material being pulled to prevent promulgation?

If there is one thing to believe in? That one thing has to be, the mighty irrefutable truth!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:50:15 PM
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Is Ivo Vegter really seldom wrong? Such a proposition is of course laughable.
Or his he, like all libertarian "free"-market fundamentalist apostles essentially wrong much of the time, and who specializes in cherry-picking his information, and completely wrong in his overall vision on the origins of, the present-time condition of, and the future of the humanly created world in the 21st century?

Not everyone at the Daily Maverick agrees with his cherry-picking hype, for instance

Don Pinnock Calling Out Ivo Vegter's Fractious Fulmination

The Fallibility of Critique: A Response to Ivo Vegter by Egan & Tungay who are both Jesuits

Another essay at The Thought Leader
Igo Vegter vs the Fracking Fringe by Aragorn Eloff
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 29 September 2016 2:52:02 PM
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Defying other long-winded posters, my expert comment is: DOOM SELLS.

And DOOM boosts the political platforms of heavy carbon using politicians, like Al Gore.

Here's Al Gore's HUGE "I'm rich and waste carbon suckers" houses http://www.urbansplatter.com/2014/05/al-gores-house-environmental-hypocrisy/
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 29 September 2016 4:08:57 PM
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Ah yes, DOOM sells! everyone posting here is in the final throes of enthrallment? Has a built in deathwish/wants the world to stop so they can get off?

And the very reason why good news never sells! And there is good news, like a confirmed ability to collect and combine carbon and hydrogen from seawater to produce jet fuel, diesel and methanol.

All doable just by adjusting the carbon content of the chosen hydrocarbon fuel product! And no not theory, already operational!

However, we don't need to junk 6 trillions worth of infrastructure, later model cars, trucks trains and buses etc. But enable us to get off the merry-go-round of imported fuels and reliance on problematic producers who currently have us by the economic short and curlies!

Coal fired power stations replaced by thorium reactors, in a timely manner that doesn't throw money away is doable!? And as we extract carbon from seawater, the atmosphere gets on with the job of replacing what we extracted!

Simply put Pete, whether we are doomed or not is immaterial, given embracing the requisite extremely low cost, cheap clean SAFE molten salt thorium energy first. Is a recipe for endless wealth creation and economic growth! [And who doesn't want that!?]

Always providing we are the ones rolling out what we've built and own! And therefore decide what it'll used for and by who? And or, just how rich we want to be? That's a freedom currently denied us by our (seemingly bought and paid for?) decision makers!?

Who waste time on endless waffle, connected outrage and diabolical delays! [Never do today what you can do tomorrow or kick down the road into never never land!?]

For which we the mugs in mugsville pay through the nose for? And straight from the political handbook, how to waste time and money on the inconsequential! And like the allegorical warm and comfortable frogs being slowly boiled alive, don't know enough!

Because they make a virtue of NEVER EVER LOOKING if that conflicts with the wishes of narrow vested interest? The real political masters?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 29 September 2016 5:13:46 PM
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Alan said;
the stone age didn't end for a want of stone!

No it didn't, it became cheaper to build in timber and brick !
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:41:50 PM
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I daresay we might not see an apocalypse as it's dramatised on the movie screens, but we are still diligently walking towards world disasters if we don't change what we are doing in our different countries. Sure there are more people taking notice about climate change and all that, but it really doesn't mean that there is actual change happening to put a stop to all of it. We need to do MORE.
Posted by webbrowan, Friday, 30 September 2016 12:37:22 PM
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